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04-30-2014, 12:35 AM
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Is "Cal bred" a real knock on the horse?
I mean, yes there are statistics. But then we all know what they say of stats.
Does correlation indicate causation?
Does the fact that the stallion covered a mare in one state over the other really matter? If that really matters how come horses bred in states like PA sometimes have been whooping the fields and becoming forces to reckon with..
Most horses are bred in KY or FL, that is just how the industry is set up. So breeding statistics do not really matter imo in deciding who will or will not win the Derby.
Comments welcome, especially from those who have been in the breeding business.
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04-30-2014, 01:12 AM
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A good horse can come from anywhere.
Even California. :o)
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04-30-2014, 01:16 AM
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Being Kentucky has the big breeding industry as you pointed out . Most will
cpme from there . I don't see why a horse foaled in another state can't
do it , and they have .
Regret ( NJ )
Lil E TEE ( Pa )
Assault ( TX )
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04-30-2014, 01:52 AM
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Pa: Lil E Tee, Smarty Jones
Florida: Silver Charm
NY: Funny Cide
Cali: Indian Charlie, Free House
Canada: Victory Gallop
These are some of the best 3 year olds I've seen race that werent bred in KY
Last edited by SecretAgentMan; 04-30-2014 at 01:55 AM.
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04-30-2014, 02:04 AM
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Northern Dancer - Canada
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04-30-2014, 02:10 AM
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Our most well known , Secretariat , not bred in Kentucky . Virginia bred .
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04-30-2014, 02:10 AM
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There was a horse bred in Virginia that could run a little bit.....
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04-30-2014, 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by taxicab
There was a horse bred in Virginia that could run a little bit.....
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LOL , we both posted about him at the same time .
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04-30-2014, 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by nijinski
LOL , we both posted about him at the same time .
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Great minds think alike Nijinski.... 
I'll beat ya to the next one.
Affirmed in FLA. 
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04-30-2014, 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by taxicab
Great minds think alike Nijinski....
I'll beat ya to the next one.
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Awesome , a few of the TC winners not foaled in Kentucky either .
and yes they do
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04-30-2014, 09:21 AM
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This thread is a reminder how important the dam side of the pedigree is.
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04-30-2014, 09:25 AM
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Most of the nation is well aware that nothing good ever comes out of California....... 
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04-30-2014, 09:48 AM
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i don't think California has anything to do with it, the horse don't know what state he was bred in.
viewing the Los Al work for the very first time, 100 times over, i really don't see what was so great about it that every expert sees. i never saw the prior works either, and don't know how the horse came back to the barn so in no way do i claim to be an expert on this particular journey. i score that work as mediocre at best being 3000 miles away from the horse. for me its enough to either sit out the race or look for something else.
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04-30-2014, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by nijinski
Being Kentucky has the big breeding industry as you pointed out . Most will
cpme from there . I don't see why a horse foaled in another state can't
do it , and they have .
Regret ( NJ )
Lil E TEE ( Pa )
Assault ( TX )
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thanks for the comments guys~V. and while it is not the derby we have had Princess of Sylmar (also PA bred) doing quite well..
Back to the Derby discussion, I am liking the Holiday horses right now
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04-30-2014, 10:10 AM
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The Triple Crown horses have been bred in Virginia (Secretariat), Texas (Assault), Florida (Affirmed), and Kentucky (Sir Barton, Gallant Fox, Omaha, War Admiral, Whirlaway, Count Fleet, Citation, Seattle Slew). The record of a horse winning the Triple Crown that comes from the North, East or West is not too good.
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