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06-08-2014, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by onefast99
Something strange about the connections an owner or head of a syndicate would make a decision to get him to another trainer asap what are these guys thinking. This group seems to be more concerned with their own well being and not the horses. Terrible management of a very talented horse.
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He would probably (read: most definitely) benefit from a new trainer, but maybe it's time to consider that he just isn't as good as you thought.
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06-08-2014, 07:23 PM
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#137
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Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike
He would probably (read: most definitely) benefit from a new trainer, but maybe it's time to consider that he just isn't as good as you thought.
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It's hard to tell when you throw a horse with just an ALW win into a tough Grade 1 race, then throw him into the Preakness off a good but losing effort and missed training, then decide on the last day between a 7F sprint and 12F marathon as if you can train for either of those contests the same way and get a maximum effort.
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06-08-2014, 08:55 PM
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Actually he wasn't traveling that good in the stretch and fell apart before he loaded, not good signs......
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06-08-2014, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike
He would probably (read: most definitely) benefit from a new trainer, but maybe it's time to consider that he just isn't as good as you thought.
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He is very good and has a chance to prove it once the connections figure him out.
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06-08-2014, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by magwell
Actually he wasn't traveling that good in the stretch and fell apart before he loaded, not good signs......
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He sweated out half the race before entering the gate. All of this points to 3f works. Take the blinkers off they aren't helping one bit, he gets startled rather easily.
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06-08-2014, 09:04 PM
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Send the horse a one-way ticket to Fair Hill, MD, c/o H. Graham Motion, Esq.
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06-12-2014, 07:12 PM
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#142
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Originally Posted by Edward DeVere
Send the horse a one-way ticket to Fair Hill, MD, c/o H. Graham Motion, Esq.
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trainer change?
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07-28-2014, 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by onefast99
trainer change?
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New trainer - Chad Brown
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07-29-2014, 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by menifee
New trainer - Chad Brown
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Interesting.
This sure seems like the right move.
I think SI will be a Graded stakes winner in this barn.
I wonder how long it will take.....
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07-29-2014, 08:57 AM
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i just dont see all the hoopla with this horse. Won an Allowance race by 10 and everyone thought he was the next Secretariat. I would find an easier spot for the horse.
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07-29-2014, 10:20 AM
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This horse is a true "head case." Did you see all the sweat and washy foam on this horse at the Haskell. Then he acts up at the gate and stumbles out of there. Reminds me of Quality Road. Talented... but mindless.
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07-29-2014, 10:23 AM
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I'm sorry, but I don't agree that the horse is mindless. Actually, the opposite. He knows... he doesn't like his job. Therefore, he balks and he's uncomfortable.
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07-29-2014, 10:28 AM
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It will be interesting to see whether Chad Brown stops on him and starts all over or tries to undo the mess they made of this horse on the fly.
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07-29-2014, 11:07 AM
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I said a couple weeks before the KD that I believed this horse is equally likely to never win a race again as he is to win a Graded stake. I felt like he was on the edge and could fall either way with no "middle ground" so to speak.
I hope a new set of hands might help him off the precipice.
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07-29-2014, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 1st time lasix
This horse is a true "head case." Did you see all the sweat and washy foam on this horse at the Haskell. Then he acts up at the gate and stumbles out of there. Reminds me of Quality Road. Talented... but mindless.
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Untapable caused all the commotion in the gate when SI reared and dropped Prado. The horse sweats like that in every single race even when he won the allowance over Honor Code he came back to the winners circle and looked as if he had just been hosed off. Brown will get this horse a good foundation or decide he is a one turn miler. Manny thought working him 3f and 4f was the right formula, taking him off Lasix was also something they thought would work in the horses favor. The Kings Bishop is the next race for him.
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