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09-09-2020, 07:24 PM
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That’s one of the worst calls I have ever seen
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09-09-2020, 07:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Afleet
KY Downs last race today. How did the not foul the ?
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How can you even tell from those lousy camera angles
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09-09-2020, 08:01 PM
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#1923
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tbwinner
How can you even tell from those lousy camera angles
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seemed clear on the head-on replay- took the 's path, forcing him to check sharply.
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09-09-2020, 09:02 PM
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Since I had the - exacta box I new I was dead meat as the was checked hard. And yes, the ran into him.
The judges had to feel the forced the into the . The did come in and Graham on the did get intimidated and ran into the . They looked a LOOOONG time as they knew they needed to take one of these horses down, but not both.
It would have been nice to see the "swimming lane" image that they have been using on the Saratoga Racing show, but without that it was a guessing game.
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09-09-2020, 09:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Afleet
KY Downs last race today. How did the not foul the ?
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After she had passed a point in the race where it was impossible for her to lose, the much-the-best winner Blame Debbie fouled the .
Stewards ruled the 2 was at fault for the 11's actions.
I'm just not sure why the 2 wasn't left up on top.
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09-09-2020, 09:09 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Fischer
After she had passed a point in the race where it was impossible for her to lose, the much-the-best winner Blame Debbie fouled the .
Stewards ruled the 2 was at fault for the 11's actions.
I'm just not sure why the 2 wasn't left up on top.
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Correct was a definite winner either way but if he caused the to keep the a better placing ( second) he needs to come down below the
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11-10-2020, 10:09 PM
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Closing Night 11-10-2020 Grants Pass --
R5 -- The rider of #5 claimed foul against the eventual winner #8 for interference entering the far turn.
Imo, the video showed the #8 about three paths outward from the #5 going around the turn. Tip of the cap to Jason Beem for using the phrase "The video showed no interference at all" while explaining the stewards decision.
Looking at the video afterward got me to wondering:
Is there a rule against making a frivolous objection?
-jp
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11-12-2020, 12:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff P
Closing Night 11-10-2020 Grants Pass --
R5 -- The rider of #5 claimed foul against the eventual winner #8 for interference entering the far turn.
Imo, the video showed the #8 about three paths outward from the #5 going around the turn. Tip of the cap to Jason Beem for using the phrase "The video showed no interference at all" while explaining the stewards decision.
Looking at the video afterward got me to wondering:
Is there a rule against making a frivolous objection?
-jp
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I know there has been in the past, don't see why it would have gone away. Used to see the fines printed in rulings.
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11-18-2020, 12:21 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
I know there has been in the past, don't see why it would have gone away. Used to see the fines printed in rulings.
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Yeah. I used to love to read the rulings! "Trainer Joe Smith has been fined $50 for violating stable area parking regulations."
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11-18-2020, 01:38 PM
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11-18-2020 Parx R2
The stewards conducted an inquiry looking at the start of #1 WON THE CASE who reared at the start, bobbled coming out of the gate, and unseated the rider in the process.
Fyi, what I am about to post isn't about the stewards decision.
Imo, all the stall doors opened at the same time. The asst starter didn't have the horse under restraint. Imo, the horse received a fair start.
This is more about incidentals... unexpected sights/sounds/scents, etc. that can spook a horse anywhere/any time.
The head on replay of the start shows something unusual.
A split second before the gates spring open:
An outrider mounted on a horse behind the gate, and facing away from the gate, makes a sudden waving motion - extending his or her right arm right outward and upward.
Horses can become spooked for any number number of reasons.
Anyone out there besides me think there's a chance the horse (#1 WON THE CASE) could have been startled by unexpected movement in its peripheral vision - and reacted by rearing?
-jp
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12-10-2020, 02:29 PM
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aqueduct 5th
any thoughts on the no change by the stewards involving the 2nd and 3rd place horses . I did not have any of the horses involved. IMO clear interference by the 2nd place horse and should have been placed 3rd
were involved btw.
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12-11-2020, 06:58 AM
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#1932
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shout1966
any thoughts on the no change by the stewards involving the 2nd and 3rd place horses . I did not have any of the horses involved. IMO clear interference by the 2nd place horse and should have been placed 3rd
were involved btw.
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For me - it's an "I don't know".
You could be right.
- both runners-up made late changes to their paths/direction
- it's commonly accepted for tiring leader to be allowed to drift a bit to 'meet' the challenge of the outside bid
but had the stayed in a straight path on the rail, the had momentum to split for 2nd.
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12-11-2020, 04:01 PM
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#1933
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I thought as is was fine. Would help if there was a better angle for the head on but since there isn't, don't think there was enough there to DQ.
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12-30-2020, 05:12 PM
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#1934
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12-30 Tampa Bay Race 9
was still being held by the starter when the gate opened. They viewed it 10 times and no refunds. Yes justice is blind!
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12-31-2020, 11:28 AM
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#1935
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boomer
12-30 Tampa Bay Race 9
was still being held by the starter when the gate opened. They viewed it 10 times and no refunds. Yes justice is blind!
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Tried to watch the head on replay but it doesn't show much as it starts just as the horses are leaving the gate. The pan has a split screen, but the Tampa logo is over the 10 horse LOL.
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