Constitutional Amendment

[tucker6]

There will never be an amendment passed in my lifetime supporting abortion. It would be akin to blacks being held as 3/5ths human. Both are abominations.

[AndyC]

Originally Posted by tucker6

Answered this week by judge Barrett. The federal constitution sets the floor for national policy on areas controlled by the US constitution. The states can pass more onerous laws but not less onerous. For example, the feds can set mileage standards for cars but a state like CA can mandate a higher standard. Similarly, the feds have a national policy on airport screening. States cannot do less than what the national policy mandates but they could do more if they wished. This same principle applies to states and local municipalities.

Meaning that states can not allow abortion if it is not allowed on a Federal level or deemed unconstitutional?

[Tom]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

The whole thing is a non event.

If Rove vs. Wade got overturned abortion would move down to the state level. Then the people of each state would get to decide the rules based on their own values. Most states would allow some abortions (rape, incest, life of mother) and a few blue states would turn in death mills.

Those that disagreed with their own state strongly enough on this issue would be free to move to another state. Oh the horrors of freedom.

To me, that's exactly the way it's supposed to work. Most of this controversial stuff should not be settled at the federal level unless there's broad enough agreement to pass an amendment. The chances of that happening on abortion are 0%. If anything, better medical care, sonograms etc.. are moving the chain in the direction of pro life.

Exactly - as usual, the dems are bed-wetting lying and drama-queening this whole thing to death.

Democrat lie - about everything.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by crestridge

Actor

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What?

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

America has been pretty much divided on this issue, historically. It would take an overwhelming majority for an amendment to pass.

According to the National Organization for Women 70% of Americans favor Roe v. Wade. Is that overwhelming enough?

[mrhorseplayer]

Originally Posted by Actor

According to the National Organization for Women 70% of Americans favor Roe v. Wade. Is that overwhelming enough?

That would depend on the Americans they polled.

[MargieRose]

Personally, I'd like to see men start fighting to have a say in the fate of a child that they helped to create...if they care.

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by MargieRose

Personally, I'd like to see men start fighting to have a say in the fate of a child that they helped to create...if they care.

I agree with you but as the “esteemed” senator from Hawaii has said, “men just need to shut up and take it”.

I think most men have strong feelings on the subject. Every woman I know that has had an abortion has mental scars from it. I don’t believe 70% support abortion as a carte Blanche choice. I can get behind abortion for rape, incest, viability of child issues, and health of the mother. I think most people can agree to a variation of those four. Other than that, I think you need to go through counseling before having an abortion, and only in the first trimester. Insurance required my wife to see a counselor before she had a nerve Stimulator implanted in her spine. That should absolutely be required here. The correlation between abortion and suicide attempts within a year of the abortion screams for it.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by Actor

According to the National Organization for Women 70% of Americans favor Roe v. Wade. Is that overwhelming enough?

90% of that 70% probably think that if it was overturned that would make all abortions illegal in every state. If you asked the question in a more nuanced and accurate way, you'd get a way different response.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by tucker6

Answered this week by judge Barrett. The federal constitution sets the floor for national policy on areas controlled by the US constitution. The states can pass more onerous laws but not less onerous. For example, the feds can set mileage standards for cars but a state like CA can mandate a higher standard. Similarly, the feds have a national policy on airport screening. States cannot do less than what the national policy mandates but they could do more if they wished. This same principle applies to states and local municipalities.

This sounds about exactly as it should be done as long as the standards at the Federal level are constitutional and have strong national support.

[MargieRose]

Originally Posted by tucker6

I agree with you but as the “esteemed” senator from Hawaii has said, “men just need to shut up and take it”.

I think most men have strong feelings on the subject. Every woman I know that has had an abortion has mental scars from it. I don’t believe 70% support abortion as a carte Blanche choice. I can get behind abortion for rape, incest, viability of child issues, and health of the mother. I think most people can agree to a variation of those four. Other than that, I think you need to go through counseling before having an abortion, and only in the first trimester. Insurance required my wife to see a counselor before she had a nerve Stimulator implanted in her spine. That should absolutely be required here. The correlation between abortion and suicide attempts within a year of the abortion screams for it.

I "esteem" her worthless! I also esteem worthless any man who cowers to such a caustic bitch, e.g. Sen. Blumenthal who was standing next to her, when she made that comment. Whatever, I have yet to see a Demo who isn't a party wimp.

[Tom]

85% of German favored Hitler going to war.
Stick your polls where the sun don't shine.

[chrisl]

[QUOTE=Tom;2663415]85% of German favored Hitler going to war.
Stick your polls where the sun don't shine.[/QUOTE


Stick your polls where the sun don't shine

UHH... that would be Hcraps job.

[tucker6]

[quote=chrisl;2663426]

Originally Posted by Tom

85% of German favored Hitler going to war.
Stick your polls where the sun don't shine.[/QUOTE


Stick your polls where the sun don't shine

UHH... that would be Hcraps job.

That IS HCAP!!

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by tucker6

There will never be an amendment passed in my lifetime supporting abortion. It would be akin to blacks being held as 3/5ths human. Both are abominations.

I got real problems using that analogy, I just would have used better. Most of our hard to find answers will come from middle of the road logic. Until we can agree to what is middle of the road nothing in our lifetime will be seen as solvable.