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11-06-2018, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
How many on welfare?
Unfilled because we have a lot of lazy people who have chosen welfare as a career path.
Cut off the freebies and you will fill those jobs.
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Moving Target...
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11-06-2018, 08:04 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
How many on welfare?
Unfilled because we have a lot of lazy people who have chosen welfare as a career path.
Cut off the freebies and you will fill those jobs.
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Exactly, but in many cases work wages are not enough to live on. A slew of benefits are granted to pick up the difference. We have to pull out the rug on those benefits as wages rise. What has to occur is less of a reason to enter this country illegally. If we remove the reasons to gravitate here illegally, plus change some laws we can correct some problems.
Last edited by fast4522; 11-06-2018 at 08:05 PM.
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11-06-2018, 08:07 PM
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#468
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Originally Posted by fast4522
Exactly, but in many cases work wages are not enough to live on. A slew of benefits are granted to pick up the difference. We have to pull out the rug on those benefits as wages rise. What has to occur is less of a reason to enter this country illegally. If we remove the reasons to gravitate here illegally, plus change some laws.
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The people getting subsidized housing in plantations are mostly unwilling to move for decent work.
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11-06-2018, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by davew
The people getting subsidized housing in plantations are mostly unwilling to move for decent work.
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I was not even going there yet, section 8 needs to be halved.
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11-06-2018, 09:27 PM
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#470
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Moving Target...
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No.
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11-06-2018, 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
No.
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Yes.
You want to switch gears from immigrants to citizens on welfare.
Hard Pass.
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11-06-2018, 10:45 PM
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No, I want to eliminate welfare to fill those jobs.
Then we do not need immigrants.
Why pay one class to refuse to work?
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11-07-2018, 01:42 AM
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Interesting commentary taking place in this thread. A couple of points about welfare (sorry no links, but easily verifiable):
1. Undocumented aliens (aka "illegals") are not eligible for benefits. That is SNAP, BFET, TANF, etc. It is true that the U.S. citizen child(ren) are eligible for benefits, but only the child. The law has been this way for a long time.
2. The welfare rolls - I define welfare, strictly speaking, as TANF - have been in steady decline for years. Some of this is attributable to the economy, while some can be attributed to the the transition from AFDC to TANF in 1996 (see PRWORA).
Make no mistake, undocumented aliens do place many pressures on the economy and government at all levels; law enforcement, education systems, etc.
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11-07-2018, 09:07 AM
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Anf I bet many get phony ID that gets them on the dole.
In any event, if we have open jobs that need to be filled, and we are paying people not to work - citizens, then we need o close the hand out windows.
Now, not all people CAN work, and there ARE people who truly deserve/need to taken care - and I have no problem with that.
Say you have 10 people, 4 of which are able to work, and 6 who absolutely cannot.
You have a budget of $10,000 dollars to care fo all. Each gets $1,000.
40% of money NEEDED by some is given to those who can earn it themselves.
That is what I am saying.
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11-07-2018, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by kingfin66
Interesting commentary taking place in this thread. A couple of points about welfare (sorry no links, but easily verifiable):
1. Undocumented aliens (aka "illegals") are not eligible for benefits. That is SNAP, BFET, TANF, etc. It is true that the U.S. citizen child(ren) are eligible for benefits, but only the child. The law has been this way for a long time.
This is ignored everywhere......they get it, especially California.
2. The welfare rolls - I define welfare, strictly speaking, as TANF - have been in steady decline for years. Some of this is attributable to the economy, while some can be attributed to the the transition from AFDC to TANF in 1996 (see PRWORA).
Make no mistake, undocumented aliens do place many pressures on the economy and government at all levels; law enforcement, education systems, etc.
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11-08-2018, 04:18 PM
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Mexican drug cartels are kidnapping the caravans weak, 0ver 100 missing from a checkpoint yesterday. Traveling in numbers is no guarantee from predators.
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11-08-2018, 04:25 PM
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11-08-2018, 04:51 PM
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#478
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Originally Posted by Tom
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Now you are comparing migrants to cattle ?
(/ˈspiːʃiːˌzɪzəm, -siːˌzɪz-/) involves the assignment of different values, rights, or special consideration to individuals solely on the basis of their species membership. The term is sometimes used by animal rights advocates, who argue that speciesism is a prejudice similar to racism or sexism, in that the treatment of individuals is predicated on group membership and morally irrelevant physical differences
Maybe you are not a racial supremacist but a "speciesismust"
Clint Eastwood is class though.
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11-08-2018, 04:56 PM
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Trump just banned migrants from claiming asylum if they cross the border illegally
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11-08-2018, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by azeri98
Trump just banned migrants from claiming asylum if they cross the border illegally
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For about 10 seconds before a judge shuts that down.
Good thing we have AG Oddjob...er Whitaker... to argue on behalf of the Administration. 
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