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View Poll Results: Would you support a Go Fund Me Campaign to fight the Keeneland Takeout Hike?
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Yes, Absolutely I would contribute my $$$$$$$
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08-12-2017, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy Asaro
We need practical solutions specifically to counter the Keeneland takeout hike.
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Like I said... call PETA. That won't cost you anything but a little time.
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08-12-2017, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by highnote
What would it cost to buy land, build a track, and offer a simulcasting-only product?
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Remove the "buy land, build a track" and you have an ADW.
That costs millions.
Leave in the "buy land, build a track" and it would cost many more millions.
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08-12-2017, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MONEY
Remove the "buy land, build a track" and you have an ADW.
That costs millions.
Leave in the "buy land, build a track" and it would cost many more millions.
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How much land is needed to build a track -- 40 acres?
If I'm not mistaken, in England some of the one and two day meetings are held on private land.
How much does it cost to build a grass course? You mow the grass and put up some barriers to mark the outline of the course.
Maybe you lease it for a few months?
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08-12-2017, 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by highnote
Like I said... call PETA. That won't cost you anything but a little time.
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I have no interest in Peta. Wouldn't call them under any circumstances. Need practical solutions.
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08-12-2017, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy Asaro
I have no interest in Peta. Wouldn't call them under any circumstances. Need practical solutions.
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Why not? You want to disrupt handle or not?
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08-12-2017, 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by highnote
Why not? You want to disrupt handle or not?
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Show us the way and take it upon yourself to do whatever you'd like. You're a free agent.
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08-12-2017, 09:53 PM
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#37
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Originally Posted by Andy Asaro
Show us the way and take it upon yourself to do whatever you'd like. You're a free agent.
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I've already said I have no dog in this fight.
You asked for suggestions. I gave you one.
I can't imagine anything easier than making a phone call.
I might be willing to wager that your boycott will never go anywhere and you will never do anything that will actually set it in motion.
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08-12-2017, 09:56 PM
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Here's the problem. In the scheme of things Keeneland raising rates is not a big deal.
Charlottesville, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Flint, New Orleans flooding, those are big deals.
Keeneland's raise in rates is next to nothing in level of importance.
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08-13-2017, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by highnote
Here's the problem. In the scheme of things Keeneland raising rates is not a big deal.
Charlottesville, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Flint, New Orleans flooding, those are big deals.
Keeneland's raise in rates is next to nothing in level of importance.
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You could say the same thing about any business if you want to compare it to world events. In the horse racing world, it is a very big deal.
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08-13-2017, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by cj
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You could say the same thing about any business if you want to compare it to world events. In the horse racing world, it is a very big deal.
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Companies raise their prices all the time. Consumers have a choice of where to spend their money.
Raising prices is only a big deal if horseplayers walk away and this causes financial harm to people who depend on racing at Keeneland for a living. If that happens then management is to blame.
If horseplayers don't stay away and keeneland stays in the black then no real harm done.
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08-13-2017, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by highnote
Companies raise their prices all the time. Consumers have a choice of where to spend their money.
Raising prices is only a big deal if horseplayers walk away and this causes financial harm to people who depend on racing at Keeneland for a living. If that happens then management is to blame.
If horseplayers don't stay away and keeneland stays in the black then no real harm done.
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No doubt. But I'll stick by what I've been saying. Horseplayers are walking away, and moves like this will only increase the number. The game is close to entering death march stage without some serious changes. Fields are getting worse, the cost to bet them getting higher. Increasing the cost to bet doesn't help fields and it never has.
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08-13-2017, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by cj
No doubt. But I'll stick by what I've been saying. Horseplayers are walking away, and moves like this will only increase the number. The game is close to entering death march stage without some serious changes. Fields are getting worse, the cost to bet them getting higher. Increasing the cost to bet doesn't help fields and it never has.
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preach on brother!
as I have stated, this whole handle has increased is fools gold...were coming of one of the great recessions of all time, comparing anything from the past 4-5 years ago is statistical games.
Give me the numbers from 2006 to today, adjusted for inflation.
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08-13-2017, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by GMB@BP
preach on brother!
as I have stated, this whole handle has increased is fools gold...were coming of one of the great recessions of all time, comparing anything from the past 4-5 years ago is statistical games.
Give me the numbers from 2006 to today, adjusted for inflation.
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I've posted them before. That is reality. There is too much sugar coating and wearing rose colored glasses in this sport. Any negative is "explained" away and any positive is screamed from the rooftops as if all is back to the 1950s of horse racing.
http://www.jockeyclub.com/default.asp?section=FB&area=8
The max is 2003 converts to about 20,194,850,000 in today's dollars. Last year, 2016, handle was 10,744,000,000. So handle is about 53% of what it was just 14 years ago.
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08-13-2017, 02:23 PM
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AMEN Amen I say.
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08-13-2017, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by cj
No doubt. But I'll stick by what I've been saying. Horseplayers are walking away, and moves like this will only increase the number. The game is close to entering death march stage without some serious changes. Fields are getting worse, the cost to bet them getting higher. Increasing the cost to bet doesn't help fields and it never has.
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This is why I started a thread about how to start a racetrack.
I think you have to approach it like Apple computers. You give horseplayers something they don't yet know they need.
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