How Do Vaccines Cause Autism?

[xtb]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

Same education, different clinical

bullshit

[Tom]

So 46, a viable course of action would be to mandate a new, untested vaxx?

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

I have a condition of a type of bone marrow cancer (5 major subtypes, mine is type 3), so by yours ILLOGIC, Myself, and all the others who have this diagnosis, should sit by and suffer the consequences of the pathology (bleeding and recurring infections due to loss of mature white cells and platelets) while someone tries to find the etiology? Same goes to those with MS and a myriad of other conditions of which the cause(s) are UNKONWN.

I shift between two medications: 1) oral med that blocks the gene that is responsible for the condition, alternating with 2) a white blood cell growth factor.

Also, research for symptoms control and causation GO HAND IN HAND or other wise the symptomatic relief would not have been found

Where do you find this weak ass logic??

I'm really sorry to hear that.

We can't just treat diseases. We also have to do a better job of preventing them by understanding what causes them, especially if the incidence is rising and we don't have any idea why.

[46zilzal]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

I'm really sorry to hear that.

We can't just treat diseases. We also have to do a better job of preventing them by understanding what causes them, especially if the incidence is rising and we don't have any idea why.

I agree 100%. It is not all that easy

[davew]

Originally Posted by Inner Dirt

Two known facts, the rates of autism are up an alarming amount and it appears no expert can agree on what is causing it or what is the most likely cause of autism.

Is there a test to determine autism? or is it a judgement call by the practitioner? Isn't there a sliding scale as far as different levels autism spectrum disorder?

What I am getting at is has the level actually gone way up OR has the detection and treatment gone way up along with the reporting to the CDC?

[lamboguy]

i don't know if its conclusive or not that side effects happen with vaccinations,

what is conclusive is that vaccinations to minimize the chances of contracting a disease.

just a sample study with rabies vaccination in dogs prove this out. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7088826/

according to the Mayo Clinic, the side effects from Rabies vaccinations are minimal. of course we live in a very strange world these days where you can't believe a thing you are taught, you read, or promised. https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-sup...s/drg-20069868.

to force people to isolate or vaccinate themselves is another issue. during the history of this world, there have been times where people were forced to isolate from incurable diseases such as leperacy. a matter of fact during World War 11, there was an island in the Mediterranean that was a part of Greece that was a leper colony, the Nazzi's who were never afraid of anything refused to go on this island because of the way leperacy spread. the name of the island is Spinalonga. https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/2...ded-in-mystery

so this bears the question when you live in a democracy, does the government or any person have the right to force you to get vaccination for any disease or even get isolated from the rest of society. i don't think there is any right or wrong answer. it all boils down to politics.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by davew

What I am getting at is has the level actually gone way up OR has the detection and treatment gone way up along with the reporting to the CDC?

It's probably a little of both.

They clearly didn't diagnose these things well 50 years back. My brother is an example of that. He's on the spectrum, but he's high functioning. We, and the school he went to, knew something was "off", but it took many years to understand what was going on and get some kind of diagnosis.

Still, I hear of WAY more cases among friends and acquaintances now than years ago.

[denniswilliams]

Vaccination is based on the theory that we're all equally unhealthy. It doesn't allow for exceptions - either more or less healthy.

While there was very much a reason to focus on the UNHEALTHY (the infirm and the elderly) for COVID -- the governments felt the need to also target the healthy - even those least likely to be infected, with a close to zero chance of dying.

At the beginning, when all the UNHEALTHY VAXXED were repeatedly re-contracting COVID, the source was assumed to be the unvaxxed. REMEMBER?

With all the people in my office, I was the only one not to get covid. Yet, I had to quit because I wouldn't vaxx.

So, IF these vaccines work so well, what's the problem? Vaxx if you want and you should have no worry about what anyone else does. If you don't vaxx and you succumb to the infection, then it's your fault (or your parents'). But WHAT YOU DO SHOULD HAVE NO EFFECT ON WHAT HAPPENS TO ANYONE WHO VAXXES.

If you willingly vaxx and you still have issues with the infection the vaxx is supposed to protect you against, then you're an idiot and was played by the government.

If you are FORCED to VAXX, like all these kids, and you don't 'end up normal', then your parents have the right to suspect the vaxx was the cause and the government needs to, at least, listen to you and look into the issue. Unfortunately, these people are treated like freaks as if the government and medicine can never do any wrong.

[lamboguy]

Originally Posted by denniswilliams

Vaccination is based on the theory that we're all equally unhealthy. It doesn't allow for exceptions - either more or less healthy.

While there was very much a reason to focus on the UNHEALTHY (the infirm and the elderly) for COVID -- the governments felt the need to also target the healthy - even those least likely to be infected, with a close to zero chance of dying.

At the beginning, when all the UNHEALTHY VAXXED were repeatedly re-contracting COVID, the source was assumed to be the unvaxxed. REMEMBER?

With all the people in my office, I was the only one not to get covid. Yet, I had to quit because I wouldn't vaxx.

So, IF these vaccines work so well, what's the problem? Vaxx if you want and you should have no worry about what anyone else does. If you don't vaxx and you succumb to the infection, then it's your fault (or your parents'). But WHAT YOU DO SHOULD HAVE NO EFFECT ON WHAT HAPPENS TO ANYONE WHO VAXXES.

If you willingly vaxx and you still have issues with the infection the vaxx is supposed to protect you against, then you're an idiot and was played by the government.

If you are FORCED to VAXX, like all these kids, and you don't 'end up normal', then your parents have the right to suspect the vaxx was the cause and the government needs to, at least, listen to you and look into the issue. Unfortunately, these people are treated like freaks as if the government and medicine can never do any wrong.

you probably are not aware of polio. i am because on the street i grew on, i was the only kid that didn't get it. i don't have the numbers, but i have never heard of anyone that has contracted polio above the age of 16. back when there was an outbreak of polio, the only ones that got vaccinated were the ones that were under 16 and those vaccinations took place in public schools. back then you were not allowed in school without the vaccine whether you came from a democratic or republican area. as far as the covid is concerned, there have been younger people effected by it and that have supposedly died from it.

[46zilzal]

The Polio viruses (three strains) are still out there, as are the mumps and measles viruses, the respiratory viruses like Sars and Covid. Bacteria from Diptheria and Tetanus as well ( I just got a booster last week)

Vaccinations CURED THE WORLD OF SMALL POX: a FACT. Polio has rapidly decreased world wide due to vaccinations.

Don't get the vaccination run the risk of GETTING the disease.

Having seen several cases of Shingles, I am very glad I have now been vaccinated against it.

I have seen patients in rehab hospitals with Guillan Barre, but their numbers, when compared to the pathology of getting the major disease, are minuscule.

[Inner Dirt]

Originally Posted by davew

Is there a test to determine autism? or is it a judgement call by the practitioner? Isn't there a sliding scale as far as different levels autism spectrum disorder?

What I am getting at is has the level actually gone way up OR has the detection and treatment gone way up along with the reporting to the CDC?

I have never studied the disorder, it is pretty interesting what you can learn on the internet these days. A little over 20 years ago I studied up on liver cancer when my step-dad was initially diagnosed. I was able to predict course of treatment before it happened. Then of course I studied congestive heart failure when I was diagnosed. That was about the only time in my life I have had good luck. I have responded well to medications. The most amazing part is even when I had an insurance lapse (thanks Obama) the drugs were cheap paying cash, less than $200 a month including insulin. Oops I strayed, concussion symptoms.


Back to autism, mine is all just personal experience trusting a doctor's diagnosis. When I was in High School my school was the only one in the district that took handicapped kids. The ones I remember most was the autistic kids and the ones with cerebral palsy. It seems both disorders have a huge variance in the range of how disabled the victims are. Once again just personal experience.



In High School I knew kids with palsy that could not communicate well and were strapped in wheelchairs. In college I meet a guy who had a part time schedule who lived on a farm. He would use the weight room that is where I met him. He actually came in looking for a hand unloading a hay truck.

Myself and a friend gave him a hand. A rather skinny guy who walked with a limp worked a D3 linebacker and a fullback into the ground chucking hay.


The first house I bought at a young age had a couple next door in their 50's who had a daughter older than me. She rode around the neighborhood
on a Peewee Herman looking bicycle (bad memories, girl friend's kids back in the day watched Pewee over and over). I would just say hi or how are you doing, when I was getting the morning paper. She would repeat everything back to me. At first I thought she was mocking me, then it was obvious, she had a mental handicap. The guy next door invited me over and explained she had autism, and it has pretty much made her to be like

7 year old for life.


My ex gf's sister has an autistic son he is like 21, I last saw him when he was 16. I would just say he is a little quirky, with prodding he got decent grades, and he was the chess champion at his Junior High. He kept a full time job at Sonic, and after a couple years got a job at a high end grocery store. His mother claims he will never be able to live by himself. Supposedly he takes everything literal and does not understand sarcasm or that people

are making fun of him. I have no idea if he has been medicated. To me he is not different that what we would have called a "nerd" back in the day.

[46zilzal]

We can't just treat diseases. We also have to do a better job of preventing them by understanding what causes them, especially if the incidence is rising and we don't have any idea why.

Do you not realize the TREMENDOUS STRIDES medicine has made the last 100 years? In medical imaging alone (X-rays were not routinely available until the 30's), the MRI has led to no laparotomies (lets open you up and see hat is happening with all the attendant infections) The germ theory was not an accepted fact until the turn of the last century.

The shift from systemic POSIONS to immune therapy had change both the face and outcome of many cancers. When I was in school, NO ONE survived many types that now are much better controlled, especially in the childhood leukemia's. Look what research did for A.I.D.S. in a short time.

[mountainman]

Originally Posted by davew

Is there a test to determine autism? or is it a judgement call by the practitioner? Isn't there a sliding scale as far as different levels autism spectrum disorder?

What I am getting at is has the level actually gone way up OR has the detection and treatment gone way up along with the reporting to the CDC?

My son is autistic and considered "high" on the spectrum. For decades persons similar to Shane, 29, fell into a separate category called Asperger's syndrome. Several years ago, however, that particular disorder became part of the over-arching autism spectrum and ceased to be a stand-alone diagnosis.

Perhaps more to your question: After Shane underwent an extensive battery of tests back in 2nd grade, the specialists characterized his behavior as "consistent with autism," but proved oddly reluctant to go on record with a conclusive diagnosis. And this pertaining to a child who turned his back on the game when playing the outfield in TEE-BALL and sat down to pick dandelions-among other instances of markedly unusual behavior.

[Inner Dirt]

Originally Posted by mountainman

My son is autistic and considered "high" on the spectrum. For decades persons similar to Shane, 29, fell into a separate category called Asperger's syndrome. Several years ago, however, that particular disorder became part of the over-arching autism spectrum and ceased to be a stand-alone diagnosis.

Perhaps more to your question: After Shane underwent an extensive battery of tests back in 2nd grade, the specialists characterized his behavior as "consistent with autism," but proved oddly reluctant to go on record with a conclusive diagnosis. And this pertaining to a child who turned his back on the game when playing the outfield in TEE-BALL and sat down to pick dandelions-among other instances of markedly unusual behavior.

How is he doing now? Does he have the same quirks as he did when he was younger or is he improving? Just curious, do they medicate people with autism these days? Best of luck to you helping him out.

[MikeH]

I know a now-retired teacher (40 years+ a teacher) who I highly respect who is convinced there is a correlation between vaccines & autism. She saw it in her students. Ever since she mentioned this to me, I've seen bits & pieces of evidence that she's correct, and none that disprove her.