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11-01-2018, 07:31 PM
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Dems would rather talk about health care, POTUS is keeping the focus on his win-win "immigration". He is controlling the media, again, ahead of Nov.6.
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11-01-2018, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
The odds of the Supreme Court not even hearing it are higher than upholding it.
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It has been to the Supreme Court.
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Unsurprisingly, birthright citizenship came to America with English common law. Justice Horace Gray emphasized the need to interpret the legal meaning of “citizen” for constitutional purposes in the 1898 case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark. That case concerned a San Francisco man born to Chinese nationals whose citizenship status was called into question when he returned from a trip to China. Ark had never renounced ties to the United States or acquired conflicting allegiance to China, and the Supreme Court’s 6-2 ruling in his favor established precedent in interpreting the 14th Amendment’s citizenship clause.
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https://thehill.com/opinion/immigrat...ht-citizenship
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11-01-2018, 08:01 PM
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Right on the facts but wrong on the meaning of the facts.
Irrelevant to the current problem.
Citizenship needs to be more specifically delineated.
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11-01-2018, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by woodtoo
POTUS is keeping the focus on his win-win "immigration".
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What win-win would that be? He says he will end birthright citizenship. If he tries, the court appeals will last at least through 2020. He said he would build a wall and make Mexico pay for it. How is that progressing? He said he would deport 12 million illegals living and working here, and let the good ones back in. Has he deported any?
Those campaign promises were influential in getting out the alt-right vote and getting Trump elected. His failure to deliver on those promises appears to be hurting the GOP in the coming election.
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11-01-2018, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Buckeye
Right on the facts but wrong on the meaning of the facts.
Irrelevant to the current problem.
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Please share your interpretation of the "meaning of the facts", and what is irrelevant to the current problem.
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11-01-2018, 08:11 PM
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The Court will say what it will say.
I doubt it will be our borders are open to anybody without limits.
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11-01-2018, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Buckeye
The Court will say what it will say.
I doubt it will be our borders are open to anybody without limits.
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I assume that you are replying to my posts, although you don't say.
You appear to have said that the SCOTUS case I referred to was not relevant. But now you can't explain why it is not relevant?
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11-01-2018, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Clocker
I assume that you are replying to my posts, although you don't say.
You appear to have said that the SCOTUS case I referred to was not relevant. But now you can't explain why it is not relevant?
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It was an awful SCOTUS decision. It was meant for slaves, and only slaves. If it ever gets back to the Supreme Court it will be changed.
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11-01-2018, 08:51 PM
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Thank you for your support, could not have said it better myself.
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11-01-2018, 08:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zico20
It was an awful SCOTUS decision. It was meant for slaves, and only slaves. If it ever gets back to the Supreme Court it will be changed.
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The Supreme Court will not strike down a Constitutional Amendment. Not one that has had precedence already decided...
What Judges toe that line....? ZERO.
Its more likely the court would just accept the lower ones ruling and not even take it up.
You guys are beyond lost at how our system works and the actual role of the Supreme Court.
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11-01-2018, 09:13 PM
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You guys are lost on how TRUMP works.
You should read his book.
Might ease the pain.
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11-01-2018, 09:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zico20
It was an awful SCOTUS decision. It was meant for slaves, and only slaves. If it ever gets back to the Supreme Court it will be changed.
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The problem is that birthright citizenship is the current law in the US. SCOTUS said it wasn't just for slaves, and the US has been applying it to others for about 150 years. And about 60 years ago Congress wrote it into law and it was never challenged. And SCOTUS doesn't like to reverse previous SCOTUS decisions.
If Trump does sign an order, the libs will be at the 9th Circuit in about 10 minutes with an appeal, and the 9th will issue an order for Trump to cease and desist in about another 10 minutes. My guess is that both the Circuit Court and SCOTUS, if it gets that far, will punt on the birthright citizenship issue, and will rule that Trump doesn't have the authority to change it by executive order.
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11-01-2018, 09:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Clocker
I assume that you are replying to my posts, although you don't say.
You appear to have said that the SCOTUS case I referred to was not relevant. But now you can't explain why it is not relevant?
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It isn't relevant because the parents in the 1898 case had legal alien standing in the US and therefore were under US jurisdiction. I would surmise that Trump is saying that illegal aliens can not be afforded the same rights. That is what I am told, so despite your categorical statements, greater legal scholars than you seem to think Trump has a greater chance than zero in getting the Supremes to entertain tailoring back the open arms of the 14th Amendment. I'm not saying he will win, but has lines of attack that are legitimate. The fact that those who crafted the relevant wording in the Amendment did so with a paper trail that support Trump should not be dismissed. It's not a slam dunk that the SCOTUS supports past precedent.
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11-01-2018, 09:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Clocker
And SCOTUS doesn't like to reverse previous SCOTUS decisions.
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They do it ALL the time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ourt_decisions
Two just this year in fact...
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11-01-2018, 10:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
The Supreme Court will not strike down a Constitutional Amendment. Not one that has had precedence already decided...
What Judges toe that line....? ZERO.
Its more likely the court would just accept the lower ones ruling and not even take it up.
You guys are beyond lost at how our system works and the actual role of the Supreme Court.
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You got liberal Supreme Court justices that are chomping at the bit to strike down the second amendment.
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