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08-07-2013, 04:16 PM
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A-Rod should do fine taking over the Richard Dutrow stable.
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08-07-2013, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by JimG
R-Rod should do fine taking over the Richard Dutrow stable.
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FTFY. 
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08-07-2013, 04:53 PM
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From the article you posted:
Ms. Hartmann said she did not believe the use of dermorphin was widespread. “The vast majority of horsemen would never subject their horse to this kind of chemical experimentation,” she said.
What do all of you feel is the percentage of owners/trainers that knowingly allow their horses to be drugged?? Honest question because I don't know the answer. "Vast majority" to me means 90% don't use illegal drugs of any type. And yet, I sense the numbers to be much higher. What say you??
Edit to add that even though she specifically says that horsemen wouldn't subject their horses to this kind of experimentation, the fact is that once you start down the road of drug use, there is no more lines that one needs to cross to get to frog juice. Once you're into drugs, you're into drugs.
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08-07-2013, 04:58 PM
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Do these MLB drug suspensions have any affect on horse racing at all?
Why is it that when I read and watch the information coming out about these significant suspensions from MLB that I feel most major league sports are trying to eradicate the drug issue but hose racing continues as if nothing is happening?
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MLB just sent the message that cheating is worth the risk. Juice up and possible add $10MM to your lifetime salary (Who knows, $50MM???) and risk a 51 game suspension oooh scary. Same is true in horseracing, maybe on a different scale.
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08-07-2013, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BillW
MLB just sent the message that cheating is worth the risk. Juice up and possible add $10MM to your lifetime salary (Who knows, $50MM???) and risk a 51 game suspension oooh scary. Same is true in horseracing, maybe on a different scale.
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No doubt. The penalties are very light. Its like telling a bank robber if you rob a bank and get away with millions and get caught, not only will we let you keep the millions, but the punishment will be either 51 days on Manhattan Beach sipping Pina Coladas (horse trainer) or a suspension where you can't rob any other banks for 51 days. (baseball player).
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08-07-2013, 05:57 PM
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Me too...............are you kidding me? Baseball has been turning a blind eye for DECADES. They are WORSE than horse racing and ANY other sport. Its hilarious how the media runs around turning the spotlight from one thing to another and people follow it like moths on a summer night. Yeah ok, if horse racing was to be like major league baseball the drug problem would go away...... 
The truth: If horse racing operated like baseball with the players union....there would barely be any teasting at all!........wake up and think....stop listening to that idiot box!.....FOX NEWS, MSNBC AND CNN...even ESPN...try thinking about things logically for yourself...take the blinkers off.....the sunlight feels good...... BASESBALL IS THE WORST DRUG OFFENDER OF ALL PROFESSIONAL SPORTS COMBINED ! |
Lets not kid ourselves. If the NFL wanted to crack down, there would be nobody left to play. I think everyone knows it, but the records in the game aren't held to as lofty heights as baseball. Its no surprise the average life expectancy for an NFL player is about 54, 55 years of age.
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08-07-2013, 06:10 PM
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From the article you posted:
Ms. Hartmann said she did not believe the use of dermorphin was widespread. “The vast majority of horsemen would never subject their horse to this kind of chemical experimentation,” she said.
What do all of you feel is the percentage of owners/trainers that knowingly allow their horses to be drugged?? Honest question because I don't know the answer. "Vast majority" to me means 90% don't use illegal drugs of any type. And yet, I sense the numbers to be much higher. What say you??
Edit to add that even though she specifically says that horsemen wouldn't subject their horses to this kind of experimentation, the fact is that once you start down the road of drug use, there is no more lines that one needs to cross to get to frog juice. Once you're into drugs, you're into drugs.
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What surprised me most was how many of those horses who were found to be racing under the effects of the frog juice had actually won the last race that they had raced in. It was a remarkable percentage...something like 80%, I think.
A drug that proves to be this effective is not likely to remain seldom-used for long...
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08-07-2013, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by BillW
MLB just sent the message that cheating is worth the risk. Juice up and possible add $10MM to your lifetime salary (Who knows, $50MM???) and risk a 51 game suspension oooh scary. Same is true in horseracing, maybe on a different scale.
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Exactly!
If the ban is not for life, it is not effective.
Anyone who thinks a lifetime ban is excessive, it is really simply to avoid - don't do it.
Zero tolerance.
At least in Baseball, it dosen't matter what damage the drugs do to the idiots who use them. In racing, horses have no say in the matter.
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08-07-2013, 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
Exactly!
If the ban is not for life, it is not effective.
Anyone who thinks a lifetime ban is excessive, it is really simply to avoid - don't do it.
Zero tolerance.
At least in Baseball, it dosen't matter what damage the drugs do to the idiots who use them. In racing, horses have no say in the matter.
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Baseball, in a way, are like horse owners...they "secretly" want their players and trainers to cheat, but when the idea of cheating is brought up to them, they'll say "i'm against cheating".
Its funny how they're all "against" cheating while at the same time, profiting off of it.
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08-07-2013, 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
What surprised me most was how many of those horses who were found to be racing under the effects of the frog juice had actually won the last race that they had raced in. It was a remarkable percentage...something like 80%, I think.
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Probably because only the winners and maybe a random horse are tested in many of the lower tier states. You won't get many non-winning positive tests if those horses are rarely tested.
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08-07-2013, 11:20 PM
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this just in...........marlins win 15th in a row since hiring kirk zaide
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08-08-2013, 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom
Exactly!
If the ban is not for life, it is not effective.
Anyone who thinks a lifetime ban is excessive, it is really simply to avoid - don't do it.
Zero tolerance.
At least in Baseball, it dosen't matter what damage the drugs do to the idiots who use them. In racing, horses have no say in the matter.
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Actually, what I do not understand.. why the heck do they needs drugs to perform better at baseball? I mean, sprinting in 100/200m, bicycle races, even (american) football, soccer, field hockey etc I can understand the need for speed and power..
baseball seems to be a lazy person's game.. what next steroids in curling and golf?
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08-08-2013, 09:00 PM
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Actually there has already been a curler caught and suspended and some believe tiger's whole marriage breakup thing was a coverup for his coming off of something.
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08-09-2013, 12:49 AM
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The severity of the suspensions won't impact horse racing. But I would like to think that maybe horse racing can take a page from baseball, in terms of how MLB caught these guys. Its pretty clear that the cheaters have been a step or 2 ahead of the testers for a long time. But maybe the policing focus should expand from just testing post race samples to becoming an investigative unit that can find the sources and track the shipments and transactions of illegal drugs.
If you're a baseball fan, its disheartening, but not totally surprising, that most of the guys that were suspended never failed a test. You have to believe the same thing happens in horse racing.
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08-09-2013, 02:01 AM
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One learn from the other ? Not until they can learn from their own. I keep thinking of the last couple lines of Don McLean's song Vincent-
They would not listen, they're not listening still
Perhaps they never will
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