At what point do they equal Nazi Germany?

[Robert Goren]

There is not enough of us to be everywhere Evil rears its ugly head. We need help. I have not seen more than token help against ISIS. Some of the people threatened most by ISIS are actually hindering our effort. The message to us seems to be " Go get them, America. But don't do anything that would look like we are helping you in any way". I find that unacceptable. If the locals are not willing to fight to keep their heads, why should we? Am I the only one that feels that way?

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

for those that don't know what the world is all about, its pretty simple. either you are doing the eating or something else is eating you up.

in broad day light we are witnessing the newest generation of scum bum dirty rats that have to be forced out of their holes and eliminated. it doesn't matter which innocent person they are hiding behind, if the innocent goes down with them, that's life.

If this is what the world is all about...then I want no part of it. This "dog eat dog" world belongs to the medieval ages...not to the "enlightened" age, which finds man walking on the moon. When you subscribe to the theory that "either you are doing the eating, or something else is eating you up"...then you shouldn't be surprised when you see blood-thirsty groups like ISIS sprouting up. They want to "eat" too...

[Tom]

We line our troops up along our southern border and put in mine fields to fill in gaps.

Now we solve two problems - drug lord come withing 50 miles of the fence we blast them with drones, artillery, whatever fits the case.

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by Tom

Nazis and muslims - same team during WWII.
No difference, then or now.

And Bobby, I have LONG advocated war with Mexico.
They are our enemy.

And of course you came to this conclusion based on your long service in the military.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by mostpost

And of course you came to this conclusion based on your long service in the military.

That doesn't stop Obama. Didn't stop Clinton either...and I take it you voted for both...

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

If this is what the world is all about...then I want no part of it. This "dog eat dog" world belongs to the medieval ages...not to the "enlightened" age, which finds man walking on the moon. When you subscribe to the theory that "either you are doing the eating, or something else is eating you up"...then you shouldn't be surprised when you see blood-thirsty groups like ISIS sprouting up. They want to "eat" too...

So, "enlightenment" in your world is narrowly defined by man's technological achievements?

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by boxcar

So, "enlightenment" in your world is narrowly defined by man's technological achievements?

No...I just used the "moon-walking" as an example. "Enlightenment" to me means a philosophy of life which separates us from the animals. Believing that you should eat the next guy before he eats you has animalistic characteristics...and it doesn't appeal to me much. Having noted your deeply religious nature...I have to think that you would agree with me...no?

[FantasticDan]

Terrific post, Mosty.

Originally Posted by mostpost

Not even close. The Nazis murdered six million Jews and millions of Gypsies, homosexuals and mentally retarded. That doesn't even count the tens of millions who died in the war.

Unquestionably ISIS and groups like it have committed terrible atrocities, but for volume the Nazis far exceed them. What makes the ISIS actions seem as bad is the instant news cycle we have now. When something happens in the Middle East today, we not only hear about it today, we see it today. And social media lets us discuss it for days afterwards.

Today's leaders have done much to combat terrorism; from the war against the Taliban in Afghanistan and Irag to the more precision strikes against terrorist outposts to the air strikes and providing of weapons and materials to those fighting ISIS today.

Tell me. What did the leaders of the 1930's do when Hitler annexed Austria? What did they do when he invaded the Sudetenland? What did they do when Hitler began persecuting the Jews? They looked the other way. We all know the name Neville Chamberlain, but the French were also involved at Munich.

You are correct. ISIS are not nice people, but you are wrong that nothing is being done about them. And you are wrong that-at the beginning-previous leaders handled that situation any better.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by FantasticDan

Terrific post, Mosty.

Not really. Precisely because we waited so long to get involved, is this not one of the reasons why the loss of life was so high in WWII?

Let's not learn from history's past lessons. Let's repeat them.

Good move.

Terrific even, as you say...

[AndyC]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

If this is what the world is all about...then I want no part of it. This "dog eat dog" world belongs to the medieval ages...not to the "enlightened" age, which finds man walking on the moon. When you subscribe to the theory that "either you are doing the eating, or something else is eating you up"...then you shouldn't be surprised when you see blood-thirsty groups like ISIS sprouting up. They want to "eat" too...

Are you suggesting that the US is the cause of a group like ISIS sprouting up? When a group says that one of their goals is to eliminate the US off the face of the earth, what should the enlightened response be?

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by AndyC

Are you suggesting that the US is the cause of a group like ISIS sprouting up? When a group says that one of their goals is to eliminate the US off the face of the earth, what should the enlightened response be?

Is that what I said? When did I mention anything about the USA? I was responding to lamboguy...who said that, in this world...if you are not doing the eating then someone is eating you up. Be a little more careful when you accuse people of things.

[OntheRail]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

There is not enough of us to be everywhere Evil rears its ugly head. We need help. I have not seen more than token help against ISIS. Some of the people threatened most by ISIS are actually hindering our effort. The message to us seems to be " Go get them, America. But don't do anything that would look like we are helping you in any way". I find that unacceptable. If the locals are not willing to fight to keep their heads, why should we? Am I the only one that feels that way?

If you kick the shit out of them in a divisive... spectacular manner. As we did in back in the Day... no half measures... no moving lines in the sand. Shitheads big and small tend to walk quietly and not to draw attention and when they do make dust a simple look it their direction snaps them back in line. It's always better to be feared then respected ( ISIS is using this tactic ). But Obama... Mr. Feckless has made sure we are neither.

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Nobody want to follow a Leader... that wants to lead from behind.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Not really. Precisely because we waited so long to get involved, is this not one of the reasons why the loss of life was so high in WWII?

Let's not learn from history's past lessons. Let's repeat them.

Good move.

Terrific even, as you say...

beat me to it. That is such an obvious point to take away from the naivety of mosties post.

I think in short term thinking, Thask makes a very good philosophical point. But in the real world, using hindsight and obvious history to draw a conclusion, Phil is much more accurate as to what our world is all about. Lambo views the long view, Thask the short, hopeful and more sophisticated. One is a goal, the other a reality.

It's a perfect paradox in some ways. Killing to stop killing. Self awareness is a bitch.........but it's what makes us a higher being. It's also what makes us contemplate these things. I take that as a good sign. We have the luxury of these discussions. Most in our world don't.

Throw in the American values, spirit and the history of our country in these tough situations and I go back to my premise that we have no leadership. We are once again standing by. The longer this goes on, the harder to correct it.

Those who say it is none of our business I think ignore the obvious conclusion. Looking the other way brings about a plaque upon Europe that is already rearing its ugly head. Then a changing society here in the U.S.
Then what occurs on the streets here is a guess, but history shows it could be really bad. Yet we wait.

When you look back in history you realize that the United States has stepped up before. WWII the greatest example, but only after being attacked. The Berlin Air lift etc but many of those events in hindsight were less than what was needed at the time. For once I wish we could be out in front of a historical moment and truly shape the events early and often.

I fear we have not one leader willing to take that step.

[Marshall Bennett]

I don't recall hearing that Nazi's sacrificed their own women and children as shields. I don't recall Nazis strapping explosives to themselves and their vehicles and used as weapons. The vast majority of atrocities carried out were conjured up by a rather small group and carried out by stern orders. In the case of ISIS, nearly all those fighting share with each other the same evil mindset that is the basis of it's existence. Had the assassination attempts on Hitler been successful, chances are the war with Germany would have ended sooner. This is not the case with ISIS. As ISIS grows and expands, so does the sentiment shared by each of it's members. Removing a portion of it wouldn't end the determination, anger, and evilness that drives it.
They do share one thing in common for sure. They both grew to a force dangerous to the rest of the world. Though ISIS is much smaller, their minds and what drives them is much more dangerous.

[FantasticDan]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

beat me to it. That is such an obvious point to take away from the naivety of mosties post.

Mosty made clear that we have been very "involved" in combating terrorism. Apparently you and PA missed that, you were probably too distracted by Mosty's "naivety".