DQ or no DQ you be the judge

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Bigadam119

I just watched the NBC version again and in the slow mo of the start it appears that Martin Garcia is trying hard to pull Bayern back outside.

FYI...Roger Stein had the steward, Channey (sp?) and Baffert on his Sunday show.

[Bettowin]

On such a big day with so much money on the line why even use the track stewards? Bring in an official BC steward crew made up of the best like they do in other sports?

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by Bettowin

On such a big day with so much money on the line why even use the track stewards? Bring in an official BC steward crew made up of the best like they do in other sports?

If they brought in the Charlestown stewards we would have had a DQ for sure.

[Dark Horse]

Turn up the sound and you can actually hear Baffert saying to Garcia, in the seconds before the press conference starts: "the ground broke out under him." And Garcia gives a quick nod.

http://espn.go.com/horse-racing/stor...classic-ruling

Not to ask the obvious question... Why does the trainer tell the rider who was on the horse what happened at the start?

When Garcia is asked what happened, around the 2:25 mark, he replies "well, uh, like he's (Baffert) saying, the ground broke... "

[ultracapper]

Originally Posted by cj

Of course he is, but people see what they want to see.

My first impression, right after the start, before the race was over and all the hubbub, was that he tried to straighten him. I saw him stand up almost all the way in the stirrups and pull on the right rein. My initial, reflex reaction was that he was kind of defensive, like he was saving his own neck. Garcia's first reflexive actions looked very self-perservatory to me. I thought HE was in danger at that split second, and thought he was saving his own neck. That was my very first, split second impression. He was startled.

[JustRalph]

I don't know why Baffert and crew would even talk about what happen? The race is official, it's a done deal. Refer anybody/everybody to the stewards......have a nice day

[nijinski]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

I don't know why Baffert and crew would even talk about what happen? The race is official, it's a done deal. Refer anybody/everybody to the stewards......have a nice day

LOL Did you see him whispering to Garcia at the press conference .
Likely was "let me do the talking " . Cause "did" most of it !

[nijinski]

Originally Posted by Dark Horse

Turn up the sound and you can actually hear Baffert saying to Garcia, in the seconds before the press conference starts: "the ground broke out under him." And Garcia gives a quick nod.

http://espn.go.com/horse-racing/stor...classic-ruling

Not to ask the obvious question... Why does the trainer tell the rider who was on the horse what happened at the start?

When Garcia is asked what happened, around the 2:25 mark, he replies "well, uh, like he's (Baffert) saying, the ground broke... "

I just saw this and you're right , he did say that .

[Poindexter]

Originally Posted by Dark Horse

Turn up the sound and you can actually hear Baffert saying to Garcia, in the seconds before the press conference starts: "the ground broke out under him." And Garcia gives a quick nod.

http://espn.go.com/horse-racing/stor...classic-ruling

Not to ask the obvious question... Why does the trainer tell the rider who was on the horse what happened at the start?

When Garcia is asked what happened, around the 2:25 mark, he replies "well, uh, like he's (Baffert) saying, the ground broke... "

Worthy or a thread of it's own. His rider just wins the Breeders Cup Classic and he has a muzzle on him. I tried to make out the words like you did, could not conclusively come up with anything(with the announcer being so loud), though it did sound something like you said, so I will assume you were able to discern the words better than I was able to(other poster Nijinsky verified). Baffert was so full of ****, just bsing through the press conference. He should run for Congress. Clearly did not want his Jockey saying anything. What the heck is he trying to hide? His behavior certainly seems more consistent with the gate incident being plannned or the stewards making their decision under his influence. I just do not see why he would be so secretive otherwise. Makes no sense.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by Dark Horse

Turn up the sound and you can actually hear Baffert saying to Garcia, in the seconds before the press conference starts: "the ground broke out under him." And Garcia gives a quick nod.

http://espn.go.com/horse-racing/stor...classic-ruling

Not to ask the obvious question... Why does the trainer tell the rider who was on the horse what happened at the start?

When Garcia is asked what happened, around the 2:25 mark, he replies "well, uh, like he's (Baffert) saying, the ground broke... "

Sounds like a trainer jockey relationship where the Jock is on his own and "doing what he wants".

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by Poindexter

Worthy or a thread of it's own. His rider just wins the Breeders Cup Classic and he has a muzzle on him. I tried to make out the words like you did, could not conclusively come up with anything(with the announcer being so loud), though it did sound something like you said, so I will assume you were able to discern the words better than I was able to(other poster Nijinsky verified). Baffert was so full of ****, just bsing through the press conference. He should run for Congress. Clearly did not want his Jockey saying anything. What the heck is he trying to hide? His behavior certainly seems more consistent with the gate incident being plannned or the stewards making their decision under his influence. I just do not see why he would be so secretive otherwise. Makes no sense.

Oh, come on. What does Baffert have to hide? His jockey did all he could to straighten out the horse, for heaven's sake. Haven't you guys been listening to Cj?

[badcompany]

Much in the same way an NFL Ref can call holding on every play, a steward can find a foul at the start of a every race.

While this one was pretty blatant, way more often than not the horse doesn't come down, especially in a race of this magnitude.

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by Bettowin

On such a big day with so much money on the line why even use the track stewards? Bring in an official BC steward crew made up of the best like they do in other sports?

Horse racing is state regulated legalized gambling. The stewards are state officials appointed pursuant to state law. The bettors are entitled to stewards who are accountable to state officials.

Unless they want to hold betless exhibitions, this is non - negotiable.

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by Tom

Mig shows up in my DB from Nov 06 to Nov 09 with 1300 starts.
Or don't we care now because you have already abandoned that argument?

I don't care because it's not really here nor there. He spent the bulk of his career in New York and basically defamed the California stewards and falsely accused them of inconsistency on national television, when EVERYONE here (not just me) who goes to tracks in California agrees they called this one the same way they always do it.

[Tom]

Being consistent is a good thing.
Even when you are consistently wrong.

Water under the bridge.
California racing is not relevant again for two years.
Next year, we get to defame KEE stewards.