Iran puts its foot down, in the water

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by newtothegame

Ok, one of us is hopping midstream but it isn't me.... I am trying to stay within YOUR topic....

You said we are gonna leave and relinquish the seas to others... Let me see the report of the Lincoln Battle group leaving.... (bet ya can't)....

Then you went on to say how we are giving up the China sea...... (Last I checked, this incident is in the straits off of Iran and no where near the CHINA sea).

You then talked about us being the "Lone" super power, yet you talk about us giving up power. To whom? By us asking other nations to step up and support THEIR interest as well is us giving up power??? Somewhere, suddenly, the Chinese have a battle group like the Lincoln because we asked other nations to step up and help? And now, said Chinese battle group will take over the world and rule the seas??

Slow down and look on the counter. I am sure you've just misplaced your meds... Breathe and relax. You'll find them!!

You aren't understanding anything I'm saying.

United States Doctrine is we rule the waves... we literally dispatched a carrier and battle group to prevent this kind of stuff.

Now we are telling other nations we were just kidding police your own stuff.

"Protect your own stuff" sets a precedent going forward that nations cannot rely on the USN to manage waterways... that opens the door for others to... we're doing everything but shoot the Chinese in the SCS. How does this help our case there?

I said awhile back not striking is chucking a major platform of American policy. You took issue with that...

Well we chucked it.

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Proportionate responses to attacks on civilian shipping and the downing of our aircraft is out of reach?

Not going down this path over a year ago was out of reach?

Look, you know nothing of what you speak of. The President of these United States has the responsibility of being prudent in his assessment and the orders he issues as commander and chief. You make it like its easy peasy in achieving the best outcome for our country, I got news for you that so far no mistakes. Your no political mind, most would say your qualified to sell popcorn at a hockey game.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by fast4522

Look, you know nothing of what you speak of. The President of these United States has the responsibility of being prudent in his assessment and the orders he issues as commander and chief. You make it like its easy peasy in achieving the best outcome for our country, I got news for you that so far no mistakes. Your no political mind, most would say your qualified to sell popcorn at a hockey game.

Setting the rules as the superpower and then consistently enforcing those rules is in the United States' best interest.

You ever tell a kid not to do something and then they do it and you just blow it off? Do they keep doing it? Do the other kids?

Don't like a drone? Shoot it down.

Trump is the king of empty threats.

We literally WARNED Iran we were responding equipment for equipment and then backed down...

[Tom]

So wrong, so often......

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by Tom

So wrong, so often......

Tom, if Obama had warned Iran of a strike, planned the strike, then called it off minutes prior, because it would kill some Iranians you would be torching him right now as a coward...

You're literally the guy that once said:

Originally Posted by Tom

I would put a FLAG on each package and the Bald Eagle symbol on the other.

You can't kill enough Iranians. Can't be done.

Obama was President then though... different times... different Tom.

[Tom]

Different situation.
You are pretty dense on all of this.

Nothing would please me more than a mushroom cloud over Tehran.

But Trump is not 0bama. I trust him to represent America, not terrorists as 0bama clearly did.

Sanctions are working - bottom line.
And other means of retaliation may have been done already, that we are not privy to.

SO, your arguments are pretty much off base, as usual.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by Tom

Different situation.
You are pretty dense on all of this.

Nothing would please me more than a mushroom cloud over Tehran.

But Trump is not 0bama. I trust him to represent America, not terrorists as 0bama clearly did.

Sanctions are working - bottom line.
And other means of retaliation may have been done already, that we are not privy to.

SO, your arguments are pretty much off base, as usual.

Mossad killed a Iranian scientist. Not Iran bombed two tankers and shot down American aircraft. Different situation indeed.

There he is!

&

That's my point... the Infallible God King Emperor Trump.

My point was spot on. You said so yourself. You have no principles you just blindly trust Trump. Thanks for making the point.

You're a sheep with no real conviction. You wait for Trump to do something so you can say it was the right move.

"I want to nuke Tehran but Trump said killing some folks at a missile battery was too much... so I agree..."

- Tom (paraphrased)

JOKES!

PS) Sanctions were stronger under Obama.

[Tom]

What color is the sky in your little world?
Has anyone but yo ever been there?

It's only a matter of time for you.....tic toc....tic toc.......tic toc....

[Tom]

Hey Ely, Schumer told Trump he needs to get Congress to ok anything.
Guess Chucky is your real coward!

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by Tom

Hey Ely, Schumer told Trump he needs to get Congress to ok anything.
Guess Chucky is your real coward!

Look at this guy Ely like this. . . . .

The vast majority of Americans want the best possible result with this Iran thing.

This guy Ely is motivated by hate and only wants President Donald J. Trump to fail with Iran, just how anti American is that?

[JustRalph]

I don't blindly trust Trump.

In fact I think he's a cheesehead on some things.

But the alternative is still the Dems and Hillary types.

How much do you think I trust them.........?

Some things I love about Trump. Like when he calls out news stories as "bullshit" love it!

But I don't blindly trust him. But he won, he deserves to serve however he wants...........bottom line..........

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Now Iran is saying they will resume building weapons and we have already spent our leverage. I'm not a mathematician but 6 years > 2 weeks.

Meanwhile Trump is asking foreign navies to police the seas. Tankers are being attacked. Drones being shot down. The President backing down from responding. And... Iran still isn't calling us.

DOGS & CATS....living together....TOTAL ARMAGEDDON

[davew]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Tom, if Obama had warned Iran of a strike, planned the strike, then called it off minutes prior, because it would kill some Iranians you would be torching him right now as a coward...

You're literally the guy that once said:



Obama was President then though... different times... different Tom.

0bama was no coward, he killed thousands with drones. He also told the other guys in advance when he was going to do something.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

If the goal is preventing Iranian Nuclear capability time is not on our side.

Neither is anyone else...

Who cares. They most likely already are nuclear capable, before the Obama deal...and likely before that.

You yourself said the "deal" only staved off nuclear capability by less than a decade.

So what? Two weeks. Ten years. Who gives a shit when it's inevitable, nevermind already a reality (if you have any reason in your thinking).

Yeah, like Iran, the global sponsor of terror...Iran...who had all that money from oil rolling in for decades...yeah, they never built a nuke. Nah...

Why would ANYONE be gullible enough to believe this? Because the "inspection teams" say so?

What you've been arguing in this thread is pointless. It doesn't matter.

Didn't matter if Trump stayed in the deal. Doesn't matter that he left it.

What we waste time debating on here is hilarious if you ask me. As if it means anything in the grand scheme of things.

Israel has nukes. Pakistan has nukes. India has nukes. NK has nukes. And you think, for one second, Iran doesn't have them already?

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

"He's such a strong leader!" and other rah rah nationalism.

Lulz. Always getting in the talking point.

Bravo good sir. Bravo.