The Official Trump Collapsing Thread

[jocko699]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

There’s a lot of different shades of Trump supporter.

I consider myself one.....but not deep in the weeds of it.

His agenda and the fact that he got tax reform and is killing regulations daily is huge in my mind. I never thought he would get it done. I went from “hell yeah, he beat the bitch!” To “I can’t believe he’s gone this far”

He’s made a bunch of mistakes, but most harmless. He can run off at the mouth all he wants..... I could give a shit.....as long as it keeps the left at bay. Even if he gets impeached, who cares. Pence will get even more done......

JR,

I agree with you response but God help everyone if he is impeached. I truly believe bad times would be ahead and many people will be killed if that happened.

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

There’s a lot of different shades of Trump supporter.

I consider myself one.....but not deep in the weeds of it.

His agenda and the fact that he got tax reform and is killing regulations daily is huge in my mind. I never thought he would get it done. I went from “hell yeah, he beat the bitch!” To “I can’t believe he’s gone this far”

He’s made a bunch of mistakes, but most harmless. He can run off at the mouth all he wants..... I could give a shit.....as long as it keeps the left at bay. Even if he gets impeached, who cares. Pence will get even more done......

Impeached will not happen, count on President Donald J. Trump replacing RBG when she wakes up not knowing who she is.

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by jocko699

JR,

I agree with you response but God help everyone if he is impeached. I truly believe bad times would be ahead and many people will be killed if that happened.

Hush, the only folks who get killed are those who leaked DNC documents to WikiLeaks.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

His agenda and the fact that he got tax reform and is killing regulations daily is huge in my mind. I never thought he would get it done. I went from “hell yeah, he beat the bitch!” To “I can’t believe he’s gone this far”

He’s made a bunch of mistakes, but most harmless.

I have been pleasently surprised thus far, he has done some good things, and he hasn't done anything crazy.

Until now. Tariffs are job killers and they are taxes on American consumers. There is no evidence to the contrary. One of the first members of Congress to endorse Trump was a Republican, Chris Collins. While working for Trump's election, he plainly stated that Trump's tariff proposals would increase the cost of living for the average American by 10-15%.

Three of Trump's economic advisers for the campaign were noted economists Larry Kudlow, Steve Moore, and Arthur Laffer. They have a joint article at The Hill explaining why the results of Trump's tariffs would harm, not help, the economy.

But even if tariffs save every one of the 140,000 or so steel jobs in America, it puts at risk five million manufacturing and related jobs in industries that use steel.

http://thehill.com/opinion/internati...-about-tariffs

Trump has apparently stopped listening to economic advice from people such as those, and from his current adviser, Gary Cohn, formerly of Goldman Sachs. He is listening to another adviser, Peter Navarro, who strongly favors tariffs. Knowledgeable people across the political spectrum consider Navarro to be a hack.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timwors.../#7d635fae15c2

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by schweitz

Worth a read

https://criminalsandliars.wordpress....ublican-party/


"America loses 800 billion dollars in wealth every year. Gone. Wealth generated by the American people that leaves the nation enrichs other countries."

I started to read it, but gave up. He does not understand what wealth is and he does not understand tariffs.

If I buy a Japanese truck for X dollars, I do not lose X dollars in wealth. The truck is part of what is defined as my wealth. And if I use it in business, it also helps create more wealth.

He acknowledges that tariffs increase the price of domestic products, but ignores the bigger fact that those higher prices would decrease the demand for those products. And worse, if those products were a intermediate step in a production chain, like steel or solar panels, they increase the price and lower the demand for the final product. And kill jobs involved with making things of steel or installing solar panels.

[schweitz]

Originally Posted by Clocker

I started to read it, but gave up. He does not understand what wealth is and he does not understand tariffs.

If I buy a Japanese truck for X dollars, I do not lose X dollars in wealth. The truck is part of what is defined as my wealth. And if I use it in business, it also helps create more wealth.

He acknowledges that tariffs increase the price of domestic products, but ignores the bigger fact that those higher prices would decrease the demand for those products. And worse, if those products were a intermediate step in a production chain, like steel or solar panels, they increase the price and lower the demand for the final product. And kill jobs involved with making things of steel or installing solar panels.

You needed to read the whole article but I did not expect you to with your mind made up and your “neverTrump” agenda. Time will tell on the tariffs whether you are right or not.

[Tom]

He’s made a bunch of mistakes, but most harmless. He can run off at the mouth all he wants..... I could give a shit.....as long as it keeps the left at bay.

Bingo.
I don't give a rat's arse about the process, just the results.
And the results have been good so far.

I think he spouts off all the time to piss off Schumer.

And FanDan! I think Trump is playing a game with someone and he gets points when Dan posts a tweet about him!

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

His agenda and the fact that he got tax reform and is killing regulations daily is huge in my mind. I never thought he would get it done. I went from “hell yeah, he beat the bitch!” To “I can’t believe he’s gone this far”

How exactly are using EOs and passing Tax Reform with total government control huge accomplishments? Deregulation and Tax Reform weren't unique about the Trump candidacy.

He gets credit for them sure but it's not like he moved mountains to accomplish this. On the flip side Obama raised taxes against a Republican controlled House. I disagreed with it but it was a far greater accomplishment.

His trade policy is garbage. Prominent economic figures from all sides of the political spectrum feel that way... how do you feel about it?

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by schweitz

Worth a read

https://criminalsandliars.wordpress....ublican-party/


"America loses 800 billion dollars in wealth every year. Gone. Wealth generated by the American people that leaves the nation enrichs other countries."

Great article.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by schweitz

You needed to read the whole article but I did not expect you to with your mind made up and your “neverTrump” agenda. Time will tell on the tariffs whether you are right or not.

I quit reading immediately.

The actual premise and history regarding tariffs is wrong.

Tariffs were the main revenue stream of governments at the time of foundation. Such was the nature of global commerce.

Other taxes didn't exist yet. Additionally none of those bulwarks of American history denied they raised prices and harmed consumers.

[schweitz]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

I quit reading immediately.

The actual premise and history regarding tariffs is wrong.

Tariffs were the main revenue stream of governments at the time of foundation. Such was the nature of global commerce.

Other taxes didn't exist yet. Additionally none of those bulwarks of American history denied they raised prices and harmed consumers.

Imagine my surprise.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by schweitz

You needed to read the whole article but I did not expect you to with your mind made up and your “neverTrump” agenda. Time will tell on the tariffs whether you are right or not.

Why would I read the whole thing when every thing that I did read was wrong?

The "Never Trump" accusation is a deflection to avoid addressing the issues. I have stated many times, including in this thread, that Trump was the lesser of two evils and that he had done an acceptable job right up until this tariff idiocy.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by schweitz

Imagine my surprise.

You can't base an argument on a false premise and expect me to believe it.

That is what the author did.

If we want to adopt Washington, Lincoln's, or Roosevelt's notion of trade and Tax policy we would basically abolish all taxes and run entirely off of tariff revenue.

[barahona44]

Originally Posted by fast4522

Impeached will not happen, count on President Donald J. Trump replacing RBG when she wakes up not knowing who she is.

You are aware this is a lifetime appointment and she could only be forcibly removed through impeachment and conviction.Trump or the man in the moon doesn't have a say about it.

Hell, my girl Ruthie might hang in there just to piss off the Republicans for refusing to consider Merrick Garland when Obama nominated him.She is under zero obligation to resign or retire. The Supreme Court went over a year with only 8 justices and the last time I looked out my window, the country is still standing.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

You can't base an argument on a false premise and expect me to believe it.

You need to get over your irrational obsession with facts. It is so dogmatic and politically offensive. There are other ways of looking at things beyond the observable reality.