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04-17-2020, 06:40 PM
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I would love to see the ruling, in court, on this. Then they would re-word the rules of wagers, and have it in 'ink'. I'm stuck
When I first read the article, I went with the track. To me it is technically two different wagers.
Then I seen Jays post of rules stating they will pay the jackpot if there is only one ticket. Hence, there is only one. How rare is it that one person has the only dead heat ticket in a jackpot poll? I understand what CJ said about DHs, but this is rare and probably why it wasn't thought out and put in ink.
But I say now....PAY THE MAN!
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04-17-2020, 06:46 PM
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04-17-2020, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by BIG RED
I would love to see the ruling, in court, on this. Then they would re-word the rules of wagers, and have it in 'ink'. I'm stuck
When I first read the article, I went with the track. To me it is technically two different wagers.
Then I seen Jays post of rules stating they will pay the jackpot if there is only one ticket. Hence, there is only one. How rare is it that one person has the only dead heat ticket in a jackpot poll? I understand what CJ said about DHs, but this is rare and probably why it wasn't thought out and put in ink.
But I say now....PAY THE MAN!
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I guess we define rare differently. Dead heats happen often enough, should have been foreseeable. I would say a triple dead heat is rare. If something is foreseeable it should have been thought through and included in the rules.
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04-17-2020, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by cj
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Ruh roh. Someone is in deep doo doo....
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04-17-2020, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by dilanesp
Ruh roh. Someone is in deep doo doo....
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Could have been worse, it was up for grabs last night!
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04-17-2020, 07:28 PM
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04-18-2020, 12:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
Could have been worse, it was up for grabs last night!
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Yeah, I would think the track is on the hook if the bet was hit twice. Glad to see that they did this. To me, it means that they are taking a second look at things and have been advised that they may be wrong on their decision not to pay this guy.
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04-18-2020, 02:30 PM
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So if he had only one of horses, and not both, he would've taken the whole pool.
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04-18-2020, 02:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnGalt1
So if he had only one of horses, and not both, he would've taken the whole pool.
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Yes
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04-18-2020, 04:40 PM
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Do we know what would have happened if 2 different ticket holders each had a different one of the dead-heated pair and all the rest of the winners? Would they then each get half since they would each have had the only ticket with that sequence?
Inquiring minds want to stir the pot.  
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04-18-2020, 06:28 PM
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I think under that scenario there would be two winning ticket holders and two winning tickets, and therefore: no single jackpot winner.
Btw, I'm very strongly in the "pay that man his money" camp.
If the image I saw is accurate: He's in possession of a single printed "ticket."
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04-19-2020, 09:13 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff P
I think under that scenario there would be two winning ticket holders and two winning tickets, and therefore: no single jackpot winner.
Btw, I'm very strongly in the "pay that man his money" camp.
If the image I saw is accurate: He's in possession of a single printed "ticket."
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Would you feel differently if the same player made the exact same play, but on two "tickets". One ticket has the one DH winner, and the other has the other DH winner? I always thought each play i.e., each combination represented 1 "ticket". Not sure if this still happens but I recall making horizontal bets and the printed ticket would actually say "x" tickets representing the # of individual combos. Another way to think about this would be if he hit 5/6 with the losing race being the DH race. If it paid 5/6 he would get paid 2x, so my view is there are 2 winning tix.
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04-19-2020, 09:29 AM
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Muddy
Join Date: Dec 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
Could have been worse, it was up for grabs last night!
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It was canceled last night also.
10 race payouts
$2 DOUBLE 5/7 $45.00
$2 EXACTA 7/8 $42.60
$0.50 PICK-3 9/5/7 $24.30
$0.50 PICK-4 8/9/5/7 $372.35
PICK-6 Refunded $0.00
$0.10 SUPERFECTA 7/8/11/1 $131.49
$0.50 TRIFECTA 7/8/11 $90.80
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04-19-2020, 12:21 PM
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@TimeformUSfigs
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Muddy
It was canceled last night also.
10 race payouts
$2 DOUBLE 5/7 $45.00
$2 EXACTA 7/8 $42.60
$0.50 PICK-3 9/5/7 $24.30
$0.50 PICK-4 8/9/5/7 $372.35
PICK-6 Refunded $0.00
$0.10 SUPERFECTA 7/8/11/1 $131.49
$0.50 TRIFECTA 7/8/11 $90.80
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It is canceled until further notice.
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04-19-2020, 03:38 PM
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Veteran
Join Date: Feb 2018
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Knave
Do we know what would have happened if 2 different ticket holders each had a different one of the dead-heated pair and all the rest of the winners? Would they then each get half since they would each have had the only ticket with that sequence?
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Ahhh, that is an interesting wrinkle. I was in the pay him camp, but now idk. Seems like first we have to define what a single ticket holder is. To me, one ticket is one single combination. This is more robust and less arbitrary to me than "anything that was on a single ticket, combinations included", which lends itself to different payouts based on how you may have structured.
If the single combination definition is used, 2 combinations hit so no jackpot  . To me, that's the logical answer, but it's definitely a horrible look for racing...
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