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Old 04-16-2020, 10:00 PM   #16
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Another case, and there have been many, where the people implementing a new bet didn't understand enough about the sport and about to betting to consider all the possibilities. And this isn't some crazy thing that couldn't be foreseen, it is a dead heat which is far from rare in horse racing.

I can't believe they are willing to take this PR hit over such a measly amount for a racetrack.
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Old 04-16-2020, 10:09 PM   #17
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Well, it was two tickets printed on one ticket. Same as getting consolations in the pick 6.

I dont see how the track was wrong here. Tough break but the guy wasnt wronged.
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Old 04-16-2020, 10:15 PM   #18
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Well, it was two tickets printed on one ticket. Same as getting consolations in the pick 6.

I dont see how the track was wrong here. Tough break but the guy wasnt wronged.
The track didn't even have a rule in place, so not sure how you can defend them. Other jurisdictions have a rule in place for this situation and the ones I've seen favor the bettor.
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Old 04-16-2020, 11:02 PM   #19
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Well, it was two tickets printed on one ticket. Same as getting consolations in the pick 6.

I dont see how the track was wrong here. Tough break but the guy wasnt wronged.
Having only one ticket, although containing multiple wagers,
actually proves the bettor's case beyond a doubt.

Dead-heating results in having half winner/half loser.
This bettor actually having both horses gives him both winning halves.
There really is no conceivable argument against him not receiving the jackpot.

If it was me, I would hire a lawyer (assuming the jackpot was large enough).
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Old 04-16-2020, 11:18 PM   #20
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It's the only game in town, but horse racing has to screw it up as usual, first with the Will Rogers tote delay fiasco, and now this....It just never ends...
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Old 04-17-2020, 12:07 AM   #21
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Piling on to Remington, how was the 5 in race 9 tonight (4/16) not declared a non-starter? Not only did the 5 not clear the gate, it made negative progress lol. I always thought any runner that never cleared the gate was considered a non starter, but do tracks have more discretion than that?
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Old 04-17-2020, 01:46 AM   #22
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Piling on to Remington, how was the 5 in race 9 tonight (4/16) not declared a non-starter? Not only did the 5 not clear the gate, it made negative progress lol. I always thought any runner that never cleared the gate was considered a non starter, but do tracks have more discretion than that?
From the Oklahoma Rules of Racing.

"Starter" means a horse whose stall door of
the starting gate opens in front of such horse at the
time the Starter (the Official) dispatches the
horses.
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Old 04-17-2020, 02:13 AM   #23
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Another interesting tidbit from the Oklahoma Rules on racing.


(c) If there is a dead heat for first in any of the
Pick (n) contests involving:
(1) contestants representing the same
betting interest, the Pick (n) pool shall be
distributed as if no dead heat occurred.
(2) contestants representing two or more
betting interests, the Pick (n) pool shall be
distributed as a single price pool with each
winning wager receiving an equal share of the
profit.

I read this as if there is a dead heat, each winning wager receives a equal share. Since this was the only winning ticket, each wager would be awarded 1/2 the total pool.

PAY HIM HIS MONEY!
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Old 04-17-2020, 08:31 AM   #24
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The reasons to not bet into the jackpot pools never cease to amaze me, this one might top it
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Old 04-17-2020, 08:50 AM   #25
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From the Oklahoma Rules of Racing.

"Starter" means a horse whose stall door of
the starting gate opens in front of such horse at the
time the Starter (the Official) dispatches the
horses.
Ahh, thank you sir
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Old 04-17-2020, 08:52 AM   #26
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Another interesting tidbit from the Oklahoma Rules on racing.


(c) If there is a dead heat for first in any of the
Pick (n) contests involving:
(1) contestants representing the same
betting interest, the Pick (n) pool shall be
distributed as if no dead heat occurred.
(2) contestants representing two or more
betting interests, the Pick (n) pool shall be
distributed as a single price pool with each
winning wager receiving an equal share of the
profit.

I read this as if there is a dead heat, each winning wager receives a equal share. Since this was the only winning ticket, each wager would be awarded 1/2 the total pool.

PAY HIM HIS MONEY!
That reads like he should be paid wtf
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Old 04-17-2020, 09:22 AM   #27
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Another interesting tidbit from the Oklahoma
I read this as if there is a dead heat, each winning wager receives a equal share. Since this was the only winning ticket, each wager would be awarded 1/2 the total pool.

PAY HIM HIS MONEY!
Exactly. I know there isn't much we can do but I sent an email to RP saying I've bet my last dollar there until they pay the man.
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Old 04-17-2020, 09:46 AM   #28
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Had his ticket included only one of the dead-headed horses he wins the jackpot.


The irony is his successful handicapping costs him the jackpot. So much for handicapping acumen weighing into the equation.


Remington, this is not your money anyways. PAY THE MAN. The optics of this is horrible. Why make a decision for him to lose this bet when there is no rule on he books? This should be about handicapping not numbers like a blind lottery
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Old 04-17-2020, 02:42 PM   #29
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Oh the folly of the SUCKER jackpot bets.

If this was a traditional pick six, even a dollar pick six, he would have split the whole pool with himself.

I do believe he should get paid the whole pool.
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Old 04-17-2020, 06:02 PM   #30
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This just wrong. He had the ticket, it's a pool not like a Casino.
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