Stretch distances by track

[SkunkApe]

I forget where i found this.

Del Mar is short.

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[wisconsin]

Hawthorne 1320
Prairie Meadows 1033
Remington 1025
Indiana Downs 900
Parx 974
Ellis Park 1175
Laurel 1089 (1419 2nd wire)

Just a few others

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by SkunkApe

I forget where i found this.

Del Mar is short.

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Del Mar used to be even shorter before 1991 or so!

[mountainman]

How about some smaller tracks like Mnr, Mvr, Tdn..etc?

[rastajenk]

I read the post as having BC handicapping implications, but I could be wrong.

I wanna see a tides chart.

[AndyC]

Originally Posted by dilanesp

Del Mar used to be even shorter before 1991 or so!

Maybe before 1971. The only track changed was the turf course.

[BarchCapper]

Originally Posted by rastajenk

I read the post as having BC handicapping implications, but I could be wrong.

I wanna see a tides chart.

Here you go:

https://www.surf-forecast.com/breaks...h/tides/latest

According to this (and if I have any clue as to what I'm looking it) - the two days of the BC seem to be days of the widest extremes between the high and low tides, with the highs coming closer to first post and the lows towards the end of the card.

If I remember the theory correctly (and it was espoused by a noted SoCal handicapper - which obviously doesn't make it automatically correct) - the high tides will cause the dirt track to play towards the outside and closers, and the low favors the rail and speed (as the moisture is drawn out of the track from below).

YMMV.

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by AndyC

Maybe before 1971. The only track changed was the turf course.

Not true. When they rebuilt the grandstand and introduced the Pacific Classic, they moved the finish line farther down the stretch. Before that, 1 1/4 miles was an about distance (the "Crosby Course").

Here's the 1991 Pacific Classic, where they had both finish lines set up. You can see the old one, followed by the new one, starting at 0:32:

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[ranchwest]

Originally Posted by mountainman

How about some smaller tracks like Mnr, Mvr, Tdn..etc?

I looked on the MVR web site and couldn't find the stretch distance.

[deelo]

Keep in mind Oaklawn has 2 finish lines with mile races ending at the 1/16th pole.

[wisconsin]

Originally Posted by mountainman

How about some smaller tracks like Mnr, Mvr, Tdn..etc?

Mountaineer 905
Mahoning Valley 1000
Thistledown 978

[Robert Fischer]

Originally Posted by deelo

Keep in mind Oaklawn has 2 finish lines with mile races ending at the 1/16th pole.

yea
big deal as it's listed in places as shortened from 1155 to 825 feet.

lot of implications

Laurel Park has a cool one - '1 mile' uses the '2nd finish line'.
Normal stretch distance listed = 1,089 feet goes to - 1,419 feet.

[BarchCapper]

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer

yea
big deal as it's listed in places as shortened from 1155 to 825 feet.

lot of implications

Laurel Park has a cool one - '1 mile' uses the '2nd finish line'.
Normal stretch distance listed = 1,089 feet goes to - 1,419 feet.

Yes - just add/subtract 330 ft (=110 yards=1/2 furlong=1/16 of a mile) with any of these cases.

[AndyC]

Originally Posted by dilanesp

Not true. When they rebuilt the grandstand and introduced the Pacific Classic, they moved the finish line farther down the stretch. Before that, 1 1/4 miles was an about distance (the "Crosby Course").....

You are absolutely correct. I was thinking in terms of changing the actual size of the track. I looked at some old forms I have and the stated stretch distance was 832 before the switch.

[cj]

Originally Posted by deelo

Keep in mind Oaklawn has 2 finish lines with mile races ending at the 1/16th pole.

Keeneland as well.