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05-04-2015, 09:30 AM
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Firing Line on left lead entire stretch
Read where FL was on his left lead the entire stretch.May have cost him the race?
Fl is one tough sob brings it on race day.Dont think he wins Preakness but i could see him winning the Belmont.
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05-04-2015, 09:53 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kash$
Read where FL was on his left lead the entire stretch.May have cost him the race?
Fl is one tough sob brings it on race day.Dont think he wins Preakness but i could see him winning the Belmont.
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I mentioned it in another thread-it was pointed out to me by ECHR Apparently no one on the NBC telecast noticed it
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05-04-2015, 10:24 AM
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It could be his natural lead - just like Alydar. However, the U.S. seems to be the only country enamored with the "correct lead" as much as they are enamored with Lasix. You don't see any other country being anal about a horse being on a specific lead.
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05-04-2015, 11:20 AM
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Wrong lead
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Originally Posted by BlueChip@DRF
It could be his natural lead - just like Alydar. However, the U.S. seems to be the only country enamored with the "correct lead" as much as they are enamored with Lasix. You don't see any other country being anal about a horse being on a specific lead.
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The so called experts on TVG think its important,especially the Sarge & Simon
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05-04-2015, 12:14 PM
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Why is it important to switch leads?
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05-04-2015, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by nads1420
Why is it important to switch leads?
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Most animals in the animal kingdom (90 to 95%) are right side dominant, as are humans.
In North America races are run counter clockwise.
Going into the turn the left leg leads for balance.
It tires in doing so.
Coming out of the turn most horses switch to the right dominant leg to lead as it won't be as tired as the left - (it is less tired and usually stronger).
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05-04-2015, 12:32 PM
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I have been betting horses since I was 14 which was 40 years ago and because of some large scores I believe I am at least even or a little to the good, yet I cannot tell what lead a horse is on. I can barely tell the difference when watching if a horse is trotting or pacing. Anyone have a link to videos that can help me out or describe what to look for? Thanks in advance.
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05-04-2015, 01:53 PM
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The way I know a horse is on his right lead is when the left leg extends out further as he runs. Look at replays for horses running in the stretch. When it looks like there left leg "kicks out" past his right leg, then he is on his right lead. Go back and compare AP and Firing Line's run and you'll see what I mean.
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05-04-2015, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Inner Dirt
I have been betting horses since I was 14 which was 40 years ago and because of some large scores I believe I am at least even or a little to the good, yet I cannot tell what lead a horse is on. I can barely tell the difference when watching if a horse is trotting or pacing. Anyone have a link to videos that can help me out or describe what to look for? Thanks in advance.
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The easiest way to tell which lead the horse is on is to look at the back legs....If the back left hoof strikes the ground before the back right hoof does, the horse is on the "correct" lead.
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05-04-2015, 10:17 PM
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Firing line reminds me of shackleford
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05-04-2015, 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Kash$[B
]Read where FL was on his left lead [/B]the entire stretch.May have cost him the race?
Fl is one tough sob brings it on race day.Dont think he wins Preakness but i could see him winning the Belmont.
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Bill Buckley must be turning over in his grave. Sorry, could not resist.
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05-04-2015, 10:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by holmmd
The way I know a horse is on his right lead is when the left leg extends out further as he runs. Look at replays for horses running in the stretch. When it looks like there left leg "kicks out" past his right leg, then he is on his right lead. Go back and compare AP and Firing Line's run and you'll see what I mean.
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Actually, just re-read my post and think I probably confused you more He's on the "right-leg" lead if the right leg is kicking out further than the left during is run (i.e. left leg hits first followed by right leg). It's tough to spot the first few times but once you see it, it gets easier to see on race replays, etc…
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05-05-2015, 12:41 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Inner Dirt
I have been betting horses since I was 14 which was 40 years ago and because of some large scores I believe I am at least even or a little to the good, yet I cannot tell what lead a horse is on. I can barely tell the difference when watching if a horse is trotting or pacing. Anyone have a link to videos that can help me out or describe what to look for? Thanks in advance.
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Watch this a lot of times and paid attention at 0:09 seconds when AP changes lead. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk6z...ature=youtu.be
Basically, he's running with his left front set on the ground and the other 3 in the air then changes to the opposite, the right front on the ground and the the other three in the air.
BTW, it's incredible how easy he does it and seems to be floating in the air afterwards.
Last edited by luisbe; 05-05-2015 at 12:43 AM.
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05-05-2015, 12:46 AM
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Firing Line was too tired the last 16th while American Pharoah could have gone one more lap without nobody catching him.
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05-05-2015, 05:32 AM
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The front leg that "reaches" further (contacts the ground further down the track) than the other front leg, is the lead leg. The lead leg contacts the ground after the other leg. The lead leg is doing more work than the non-lead leg because it is supporting more weight and more stress than the non-lead leg. Since the horse has usually been using the same lead leg, at least in the turns, that leg is more tired than the non-lead leg, so the jockey will either ask the horse to change to the less tired leg down the stretch, or the horse will change to the less tired leg on its own.
It's similar to what happens when you carry a heavy piece of luggage with one arm for a while and then switch to the other arm, you do that because the second arm is less tired than the first one.
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In horse racing, when a horse is galloping/running, the leading leg may tire, resulting in the horse slowing down. If the lead is changed, the horse will usually "find another gear" or be able to maintain its pace. Because horses race counter-clockwise in North America, a racehorse is usually trained to lead with the left leg while rounding the turn for balance, but switch to the right lead on the straightaways between the turns to rest the left.
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Last edited by raybo; 05-05-2015 at 05:35 AM.
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