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11-05-2010, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by InsideThePylons-MW
JV basically said to the national TV audience talking to Jerry Bailey in the warm-up that his horse was lame/off/no good......after a few minutes they went back to him heading to the gate and Jerry asked him if she was any better and he basically said no, she's a pitchfork.
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JV should have refused to ride if that's the case.
But of course folks will say , can't do that it's too big a race.
or he'd lose his big future mounts. But the whole thing is just ugly.
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11-05-2010, 08:25 PM
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On the ESPN telecast, Pletcher was speaking off-camera as the horses approached the gate .
There was prior concern that LAT was observed to not be moving well, confirmed by JV live.
After the warmup up , he was asked if she had improved, and he said " not really " .
At this point the announcers indicated a vet check was imminent, but frankly I didn't see any vet observing her jog before she was loaded .
Pletcher spoke live as the field approached the gate, and did not seem confident that she was herself at all .
But they loaded her .
Velazquez was upfront in what he said, but it was up to the track vet and Pletcher to run or scratch .
And they loaded her .
She made it around the track safely after breaking slowly and was allowed to lose contact with the field .
What was the point .
She looked like crap in front, and running her could have caused grief to horses and men .
She also took a lot of people's money that assumed their choice was assessed fit to run by a prominent trainer and on site vets, and they got screwed .
Irresponsibilty nationally televised that could have been an even worse disaster .
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11-05-2010, 08:29 PM
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I don't think Pletcher would take Johnny V off his mounts if they broke backwards from the gate and ran the wrong way.
I can't believe he didn't refuse to ride.
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11-05-2010, 08:31 PM
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Todd Pletcher and CD Stewards,
in light of Eight Belles and Barabaro, and the growing apathy of the
puiblic to racing how could Life at Ten be allowed to race?
Thank God this horse survived the race..
Importantly, Johnny V was discussing with ESPN that LAT wasn't feeling right,
yet the horse was allowed to go to the gate.
Incredibly, why didn't this jock call an audible???
This track is the "heartland" of racing????
Last edited by GARY Z; 11-05-2010 at 08:33 PM.
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11-05-2010, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by firstoffclaim
I give Johnny V alot of credit, he basically pulled her up, the horse is the most important thing, he didn't look like he was laughing at all
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You give him credit for stiffing a horse?
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11-05-2010, 08:38 PM
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THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO KEPT QUIET
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11-05-2010, 08:42 PM
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Agree 100%..guess JV figured Pletcher would never ride him again if he refused to ride.
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He basically stiffed her out of the gate. Lame or not lame, once that gate opens you have to ride hard all the way. If you plan on protecting the horse all the way, don't run.
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11-05-2010, 08:43 PM
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I'm hearing she tyed up.
She had to be uncomfortable , the Vet may have some explaining to do.
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11-05-2010, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by GARY Z
in light of Eight Belles and Barabaro, and the growing apathy of the
puiblic to racing how could Life at Ten be allowed to race?
Thank God this horse survived the race..
Importantly, Johnny V was discussing with ESPN that LAT wasn't feeling right,
yet the horse was allowed to go to the gate.
Incredibly, why didn't this jock call an audible???
This track is the "heartland" of racing????
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JV protected the horse but didnot protect the betting public. He should have requested the scratch as Gomez did the other day. The vet should also ask the jock if he wants it. JV just galloped LAT like a work breezing, if he was gong to do that he should have requested the scratch
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11-05-2010, 08:48 PM
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I could see when she went into the gate that something was going on with her stomach. You could see an unatural line running left - right along her side. I'm not a vet but it did not look normal. Belly cramps of some sort. Hope she's ok.
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11-05-2010, 09:11 PM
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If I were Pletcher, I would replace him with Desormeaux - at least he waits until the stretch to stiff them.
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11-05-2010, 09:15 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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This is not racing putting it best foot forward. ....
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Does racing have a good foot?
If I ran a slots place, I would use this in a commercial - "Come try the slots - at least you have a chance! Not like uuugggg, racing!"
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11-05-2010, 09:22 PM
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i could make a post here but everyone beat me to the punch. the racing game is wearing me out already. the 2 factions that are the most important in this game are the owner and of course the BETTORS. now you can see why we are losing both of them, and more to follow.
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11-05-2010, 09:22 PM
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Yes, ya pay your money and ya take your chances. But I'm still p*ssed.
LaT was one of two horses I bet in that race. At the OTB, they had the track feed, no ESPN, and even if the did have ESPN on some of the monitors, the audio would not have been on while other races from other tracks were be run.
I think the stewards should have declared LaT as a non-starter and refunded all wagers that used the horse.
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11-05-2010, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DJofSD
Yes, ya pay your money and ya take your chances. But I'm still p*ssed.
LaT was one of two horses I bet in that race. At the OTB, they had the track feed, no ESPN, and even if the did have ESPN on some of the monitors, the audio would not have been on while other races from other tracks were be run.
I think the stewards should have declared LaT as a non-starter and refunded all wagers that used the horse.
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