Bush commutes Libby sentence - no jail time

[Tom]

Originally Posted by GaryG

Wicked Witch of the West

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Secretariat

Tom states “Libby never obstructed justice.” Sorry Tom – a jury disagreed with you. He was convicted.

And OJ was not.
There you go.
And the 2000 election was certified, yet you wihinned about that.

He might have been convicted of obstruction, but in the real world, the leaker was already known by the prosecutor, so you have no issue wtih him continuing to fish when the answers were already known?

BTW, given your stance here, I assume you supported CLinton being removed from office for not only the same offense, but coupled with an admission of guilt?

[Steve 'StatMan']

Originally Posted by Secretariat

Steve “StatMan” states “I'm not keen on the imprisioned Border Guard situation.” Pretty much says it all. Blind eye to two guys doing eleven and twelve years respectively for trying to do their job but you’re gung ho to release a convicted felon who is the nubmer one guy to the WH. Unbeleivable. A jury got Libby, and a Bush appointed judge and Bush’s justice department. There wasn’t a dem involved in the proceedings.

Too many news stories - I didn't follow this story to know what the guards were accused of. Think it's a terrible idea to put boarder guards, or any correctons/law officers into the same prison areas as the typical criminial.

Not sure I want to risk thread drift by asking what the guards did.

I don't have much of a life, but I DO have other things to do.

[Lefty]

He was convicted by a "stacked" jury just like O.J. was released by a "stacked" jury. Clinton was "convicted" by the congress but not ousted from office and served no time. If Hillary hollering about cronyism and disregard of the law doesn't sink her chances, with the spectre of Bill hanging over her then the Dem voters even dumber than I thght.

[Steve 'StatMan']

Originally Posted by Lefty

He was convicted by a "stacked" jury just like O.J. was released by a "stacked" jury. Clinton was "convicted" by the congress but not ousted from office and served no time. If Hillary hollering about cronyism and disregard of the law doesn't sink her chances, with the spectre of Bill hanging over her then the Dem voters even dumber than I thght.

Oh they might just be. The bigger question, has Popularism dumbed down the public enough to for Hillary to carry enough electoral votes. (50% + 1 of the overall vote, we are all keenly aware, actual means nothing except to the Popularists. (Jon Stewart, Bill Mahr, Leno, Letterman, Rosie O'D, MMoore, Al Franken, etc.)

[hcap]

When Governor, bush did not shy away from "law and order" by the book send 'em up the river" for good sentencing guidelines.

1-Serving twelve years for a rape that DNA testing shows you didn't commit does not get you a pardon.

2-Being represented by a lawyer who slept through large chunks of the trial does not get you a pardon.

3-Being convicted of murder in proceedings that a court-appointed special master describes as ""a breakdown of the adversarial process" caused by the incompetence of your lawyer does not get you a pardon, even when someone else confesses on tape to the murder you were convicted of.

4-Likewise, when someone else confesses to the murder you were convicted of and you ask for a stay of execution in order to conduct tests that will establish your innocence, no dice.

5-And when you are unquestionably incompetent to assist in your own defense but no one seems to take that fact into account, or tells the jury, that's just too bad. None of these sentences are in any way excessive, as far as George W. Churchill is concerned.

In 1999, during the 2000 Republican Presidential primary race, conservative commentator Tucker Carlson interviewed Bush for Talk Magazine (September 1999, p. 106)

In the weeks before the execution, Bush says, a number of protesters came to Austin to demand clemency for Karla Faye Tucker. "Did you meet with any of them?" I ask. Bush whips around and stares at me. "No, I didn't meet with any of them", he snaps, as though I've just asked the dumbest, most offensive question ever posed. "I didn't meet with Larry King either when he came down for it. I watched his interview with Tucker, (Karla Faye Tucker) though. He asked her real difficult questions like, 'What would you say to Governor Bush?'" "What was her answer?" I wonder. "'Please,'" Bush whimpers, his lips pursed in mock desperation, "'don't kill me.'" I must look shocked — ridiculing the pleas of a condemned prisoner who has since been executed seems odd and cruel — because he immediately stops smirking.

Bush denied that he had intended to make light of the issue.
Bush signed her death warrant

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But when you are Scooter Libby, convicted of four felony charges, and you face thirty months in jail, that's excessive.

Or ""all men are equal under the law .... except those who might testify
against me." What a son of a bitch

[46zilzal]

Originally Posted by hcap

Or ""all men are equal under the law .... except those who might testify
against me." What a son of a bitch

you are being kind

[hcap]

"During Bush's six years as governor 150 men and two women were executed in Texas—a record unmatched by any other governor in modern American history."

[hcap]

Our preznit.......

"Bush Filed Motion in 2006 to Uphold 30 Month Sentence of Victor Rita, an Elderly Marine Corps Vet Convicted on Same Crimes as Libby

Rita appealed for a reduced sentence based on his exemplary military service.The Bush Justice Dept. advocated against the appeal, and the Supreme Court ruled with them, and against Rita, last month.

http://www.pensitoreview.com/2007/07...rita-sentence/

Victor Rita is a very sympathetic defendant: he served 24 years in the Marine Corps, had tours of duty in Vietnam and the first Gulf war, and has received over 35 military metals and awards. Also, he is an elderly gentleman who suffers serious health problems."

[46zilzal]

.from President Bush’s 1999 campaign biography, “A Charge to Keep: “I don’t believe my role is to replace the verdict of a jury with my own unless there are new facts or evidence of which a jury was unaware, or evidence that the trial was somehow unfair.”

[46zilzal]

Way to go Oberman!
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/0...es/#more-18986

[GaryG]

Come on all you lefities and socialists....lemme hear you loud and clear... Gimme an I...... Gimme an M...... Gimme a P.... woo hoo!

[Steve 'StatMan']

We ALL want innocent people to not be convicted, and if wrongly convicted, , have their convictions overturned and set free.

We ALL know there are holes in the legal system, and incompetent attorneys, and people sometimes get convicted that shouldn't. The samples presented have been merely just a few of the thousands over the many decades of the U.S. Probably hundreds of thousands of correct convictions as well during that timeframe.

We ALL know that lots of people in that justice system could do the right thing and work to have the cases reviewed. The President, and in his prior role of Governor of Texas, was one of them, although the highest ranking one.

We ALL know that many cases never do get overturned, many governors from MANY states do not overturn many convictions that it might be best if they did.

We ALL know that MANY people have been pardoned by Presidents for MANY DECADES. We ALL know that some of them are always going to be objectionable to the public.

But some of you would rise from 0.00% credibility to at perhaps single digits if you'd FINALLY spares us the OVERBLOWN expressions of shock, surprise and anger AS IF BUSH IS THE ONLY PRESIDENT/GOVERNOR WHO'S EVER DONE THIS!

Especially in a case of a continued witch hunt for a probably being evasive over a NON-CRIME (Plame WAS a know CIA employee.)

You and your guys get your toes stubbed, and you scream and dance around like someone set you on fire!

Even when you and your 'people' are right, you still look like outragious, over-reacting jerks. That's a big reason why I can't accept your messages.

Sometimes it's like demanding a new car over a scratched fender.

That's why I can't stand the thought of these types of folks trying to position themselves as our new 'leaders'. (As elected officials, public mouth pieces, opinion shapers, etc.)

Neither party is very good, and both have some crumbs and disappointments. But given the choice, I'd still take what we've got over the out there now, if they're the limited choices we keep getting.

I'll say it again - I won't support crybabies for our leaders, and I won't accept opinions from people who offer the opinions of animated crybabies as their heros and choices for leader. I'd be almost evilly glad to let you live in the reulting world that those people would eventually produce, if only we could branch off into 2 separate worlds, so myself and those I care about wouldn't have to suffer the inevitable consequences. But since we can't do that, I can't affoard to stay silent often enough, even though I'd really rather be doing other things.

[Steve 'StatMan']

Originally Posted by GaryG

Come on all you lefities and socialists....lemme hear you loud and clear... Gimme an I...... Gimme an M...... Gimme a P....

You may have forgotten the W at the begining.

Of course, we all know the lefties and socialists to so anti G. "Dubya" Bush that they're probably too leary to follow any cheer that begins with a "Gimme a W."

[Tom]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

.from President Bush’s 1999 campaign biography, “A Charge to Keep: “I don’t believe my role is to replace the verdict of a jury with my own unless there are new facts or evidence of which a jury was unaware, or evidence that the trial was somehow unfair.”

And he did not replace it. The jury had nothing to do with the sentencing. He commuted the jail term, he did not set aside the verdict. Libby is still guilty of a felony and still pays the fine and does the probation.