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04-16-2018, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by biggestal99
The good thing about the American presidency is that has immense power for 4/8 years than they are gone.
By that time a dem will take power and restore what ever knuckle dragging cuts that Trump has instituted.
PP funding will be restored as soon as a dem gets the power to do so.
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I wouldn't count on it......Nikki Haley is warming up in the bullpen..... oops meant to say cowpen.
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04-16-2018, 01:22 PM
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I wouldn't count on it......Nikki Haley is warming up in the bullpen..... oops meant to say cowpen.
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One of the reasons Hillary lost is that she was seen as Obama's third term. Majority disapproval of Trump will similarly hurt the next GOP candidate.
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04-16-2018, 01:31 PM
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One of the reasons Hillary lost is that she was seen as Obama's third term. Majority disapproval of Trump will similarly hurt the next GOP candidate.
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Not quite. Hillary ran by saying she would be an extension of Obama's policies, and essentially be a 3rd term for Obama. That's different than what you stated.
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04-16-2018, 01:39 PM
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Not quite. Hillary ran by saying she would be an extension of Obama's policies, and essentially be a 3rd term for Obama. That's different than what you stated.
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What I stated was my take on voter perception, whether Hillary said it or not. But in reality, would a GOP candidate have any choice but to support Trump's policies and promise to continue down the same road?
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04-16-2018, 02:02 PM
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What I stated was my take on voter perception, whether Hillary said it or not. But in reality, would a GOP candidate have any choice but to support Trump's policies and promise to continue down the same road?
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Why would anyone vote for a candidate that has no individual plan for our future?
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04-16-2018, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Clocker
One of the reasons Hillary lost is that she was seen as Obama's third term. Majority disapproval of Trump will similarly hurt the next GOP candidate.
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I guess it all depends on why the supposed majority disapprove of Trump. Is it his personality/mannerisms, or is it his policies?
Yes, Hillary was seen as the prolongation of Obama's policies...really little to do with her or his personality. Obama was well liked, was he not?
The next GOP candidate will have no trouble falling back on Trump's policies, if he continues to succeed, as he has done so far. His personality and mannerisms will be of little concern, when the time comes, as well.
Three strong, intelligent and likeable women that I'd like to see run for the GOP presidency at some point: Nikki Halley, Condoleezza Rice, Kirstjen Nielsen. Am keeping an eye on Heather Nauert, too...some great potential, if she is so inclined, methinks.
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04-16-2018, 02:31 PM
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Why would anyone vote for a candidate that has no individual plan for our future?
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A candidate from the incumbent's party is not free to have a truly individual platform, especially if a member of the incumbent's administration. It has to evolve from the incumbent's policies, which the candidate supported in the past.
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04-16-2018, 02:37 PM
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They got rid of line item vetoes a few presidents back. All or nothing with what the top 4 in Congress (and their lobbyists) present.
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It was found to be unconstitutional during Clinton's term, as it violated the presentments clause (i.e., the president can only sign what he's presented).
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04-16-2018, 02:41 PM
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I guess it all depends on why the supposed majority disapprove of Trump. Is it his personality/mannerisms, or is it his policies?
Yes, Hillary was seen as the prolongation of Obama's policies...really little to do with her or his personality. Obama was well liked, was he not?
The next GOP candidate will have no trouble falling back on Trump's policies, if he continues to succeed, as he has done so far. His personality and mannerisms will be of little concern, when the time comes, as well.
Three strong, intelligent and likeable women that I'd like to see run for the GOP presidency at some point: Nikki Halley, Condoleezza Rice, Kirstjen Nielsen. Am keeping an eye on Heather Nauert, too...some great potential, if she is so inclined, methinks.
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How is Nielsen qualified to be president? If you looked at her resume and she were a male, no one would ever give her a second look. You did say "at some point," so maybe you meant after she has more experience. Rice is too hawkish for me, but I understand how you would consider her presidential material.
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04-16-2018, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by MargieRose
I guess it all depends on why the supposed majority disapprove of Trump. Is it his personality/mannerisms, or is it his policies?
Yes, Hillary was seen as the prolongation of Obama's policies...really little to do with her or his personality. Obama was well liked, was he not?
The next GOP candidate will have no trouble falling back on Trump's policies, if he continues to succeed, as he has done so far. His personality and mannerisms will be of little concern, when the time comes, as well.
Three strong, intelligent and likeable women that I'd like to see run for the GOP presidency at some point: Nikki Halley, Condoleezza Rice, Kirstjen Nielsen. Am keeping an eye on Heather Nauert, too...some great potential, if she is so inclined, methinks.
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I live in SC, and Nikki had some ethical lapses in judgement as governor. If she can brush up on that, she has a chance, but those lapses will dog her for some time on the national stage.
https://www.fitsnews.com/2014/07/18/...ems-hypocrisy/
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04-16-2018, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike
How is Nielsen qualified to be president? If you looked at her resume and she were a male, no one would ever give her a second look. You did say "at some point," so maybe you meant after she has more experience. Rice is too hawkish for me, but I understand how you would consider her presidential material.
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For now, I'm going by my impressions of the women and how they handle themselves within their current positions. Except for Condoleezza Rice (exceptional, IMO), time will reveal more.
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04-16-2018, 04:35 PM
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"Ethical lapses in judgement" is, more or less, an evaluation stemming from subjective beliefs which exist in the eye of the beholder. Times change, people change, and people grow. I'm watching how Nikki handles herself now...four years later.
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04-16-2018, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by MargieRose
"Ethical lapses in judgement" is, more or less, an evaluation stemming from subjective beliefs which exist in the eye of the beholder. Times change, people change, and people grow. I'm watching how Nikki handles herself now...four years later.
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Even among Republicans here, her ethics were grating. You really think someone of her age doesn’t understand what is ethical and what is not? Does four more years improve that? I don’t know. Reminds me of Pruitt. He should know better but apparently hubris gets the best of him. And this comes from a supporter of Pruitt and Haley. I’d take them over a democrat, but they have bad judgement at times.
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04-16-2018, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by biggestal99
The good thing about the American presidency is that has immense power for 4/8 years than they are gone.
By that time a dem will take power and restore what ever knuckle dragging cuts that Trump has instituted.
PP funding will be restored as soon as a dem gets the power to do so.
Allan
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And then they will cut the next time........
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04-17-2018, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
And then they will cut the next time........
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Its a constant fight between good and evil.
Nobody said it would be easy.
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