Driverless car kills pedestrian

[jocko699]

Ok, I am alright with that but my concern was a despicable comment. Let's be truthful, some have a different opinion, but to say they are despicable is unacceptable.

The computer programming is written by humans and potential issues will happen.

At the end of the day a careless and negligent driver pays both criminally and in a civil court. What remedy does a victim's family have in this case? Who will be jailed? After all, someone died and our answer is oh well less people will die with A.I.?

[johnhannibalsmith]

Originally Posted by JerryBoyle

I'd go as far as to say, promoting the fear of autonomous driving makes you a despicable human being who becomes accountable for all following driving related injuries/fatalities...

Finally a realistic goal in life.

[barahona44]

Originally Posted by JerryBoyle

The benefit for autonomous driving is HUGE. No more DUIs, so fewer DUI related accidents leading to fewer deaths/injuries, reduced prison population + reduction in time cops spend on DUI related stops meaning fewer tax dollars and better police work. Fast travel time and less congestion because the driving is more efficient (no more useless braking, dangerous lane changes, etc). Leads to less time wasted in traveling + optimizing time spent in the car either resting or doing other work. Fewer accidents in general, so fewer injuries/deaths and cheaper insurance. Opens up ride sharing market even more as your car no longer needs to stay where you are, so you can either rent it out, or not own a car at all.

The knock on economic and social effects of this are massive and greatly greatly greatlyx10000000 under appreciated...

Eventually, these cars may come about. Still doesn't answer the question , where is the "market" for these cars.? In other words, who is going to buy them.I seriously doubt they'll be inexpensive. And when people start promising paradise IF ONLY this or that would happen, yours truly starts getting suspicious.I mean people were in prison long before cars were ever invented.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Drunk Drivers
Sleep Deprived Drivers
Stoned Drivers
Distracted Drivers
BAD DRIVERS
i can go on....

There is NO WAY driverless vehicles could be worse and/or cause more injuries/deaths. No way.

Probably, once all the cars on the road are autonomous.

On the other hand, an experienced human is more likely to recognize the bad actors listed above, and better able to drive defensively against them. And the bad actors will still be there, able to turn off the auto driver, like the guy in a hurry on the freeway, weaving from lane to lane to make better time.

And it is clearly the case that currently, an experienced driver is better able to drive in less than perfect conditions, such as rain, snow, ice, etc. Which is why all the robot cars are being tested in Arizona and California.

Until I see a lot more evidence, I believe that the best system is a human driver with safety over-rides, such as a braking system that stops the car when it detects the car is approaching an obstacle too quickly.

[JerryBoyle]

Originally Posted by barahona44

Eventually, these cars may come about. Still doesn't answer the question , where is the "market" for these cars.? In other words, who is going to buy them.I seriously doubt they'll be inexpensive. And when people start promising paradise IF ONLY this or that would happen, yours truly starts getting suspicious.I mean people were in prison long before cars were ever invented.

A family can now own 1 car instead of 3. Not only that, but we can rent out the spare time if we want. That's an enticing proposition...

Lol though I get your point abt moonshot promises, the things I listed are very real and very tangible benefits are they not? Fewer people drunk driving is an unqualified success for any number of reasons

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by barahona44

In other words, who is going to buy them.I seriously doubt they'll be inexpensive.

Big Brother says everyone. Big Brother knows what is good for you, and cost to you is of no concern.

[JerryBoyle]

Originally Posted by Clocker

Probably, once all the cars on the road are autonomous.

On the other hand, an experienced human is more likely to recognize the bad actors listed above, and better able to drive defensively against them. And the bad actors will still be there, able to turn off the auto driver, like the guy in a hurry on the freeway, weaving from lane to lane to make better time.

And it is clearly the case that currently, an experienced driver is better able to drive in less than perfect conditions, such as rain, snow, ice, etc. Which is why all the robot cars are being tested in Arizona and California.

Until I see a lot more evidence, I believe that the best system is a human driver with safety over-rides, such as a braking system that stops the car when it detects the car is approaching an obstacle too quickly.

In aggregate, I don't think this is true. There will be special cases where a human driver could have performed better, but take 1000s of cases where a bad actor does something e.g. your weaving lane-to-lane, and a computer will manage a larger percentage of those cases successfully.

Basically, reading the news and a lot of the responses here, the bar is being set at: the autonomous (or driver assisted) functionality should be better than a human in any and all conceivable situation before it should be used. My argument is that that is dangerous. The bar can be set much lower (in fact, my opinion is that the functionalities available now are already making roads safer) to create a safer driving environment.

[JerryBoyle]

All that being said, a legitimate argument is the marketing around the driverless features. Tesla branding their software as "autopilot" is dangerous and seems to have created the false sense of security that allowed the guy decapitated by the truck to watch a movie instead of the road...

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by JerryBoyle

A family can now own 1 car instead of 3.

Unlikely, given the way people live today.

Not only that, but we can rent out the spare time if we want. That's an enticing proposition...

That's a revolting proposition. A vehicle is a very personal possession, with personal stuff in it. No way I give a stranger access.

[FantasticDan]

Originally Posted by Clocker

That's a revolting proposition. A vehicle is a very personal possession, with personal stuff in it. No way I give a stranger access.

Clocker's car

[NJ Stinks]

Suddenly, I feel like a gun owner.

I'll give you my keys when you pry (or take) them from my cold, dead hands.

Just because other people can't handle driving doesn't mean I should turn in my car.


....matter of fact, I'm still pissed we're not riding horses....

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by FantasticDan

Clocker's car

Man, Dan........ that was funny...........

[Inner Dirt]

Originally Posted by Clocker

Probably, once all the cars on the road are autonomous.

On the other hand, an experienced human is more likely to recognize the bad actors listed above, and better able to drive defensively against them. And the bad actors will still be there, able to turn off the auto driver, like the guy in a hurry on the freeway, weaving from lane to lane to make better time.

And it is clearly the case that currently, an experienced driver is better able to drive in less than perfect conditions, such as rain, snow, ice, etc. Which is why all the robot cars are being tested in Arizona and California.

Until I see a lot more evidence, I believe that the best system is a human driver with safety over-rides, such as a braking system that stops the car when it detects the car is approaching an obstacle too quickly.

Also the common components used in computerized motion systems do not function well in the cold. The same components if used in a manufacturing environment requiring precision would be inside a climate controlled building.
Using components and systems that could tolerate all the elements encountered on roads without problems would be prohibitively expensive and require extensive and frequent maintenance.

[Lemon Drop Husker]

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Last edited by PaceAdvantage; 03-22-2018 at 01:13 PM.

[Tom]

Using 1 death as propaganda to halt and/or be skeptical of autonomous driving is way more dangerous than autonomous driving itself.

How many deaths are acceptable?
Assuming none of them are related to YOU, of course.