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View Poll Results: Do you use energy percentages?
Yes, it is very important 2,072 94.70%
Yes, it is somewhat important 21 0.96%
Yes, but I really just look at it. 18 0.82%
No, it never worked for me. 38 1.74%
I do not select pacelines. 39 1.78%
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Old 08-24-2022, 12:43 AM   #61
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How do you define energy distribution?
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Old 08-26-2022, 07:12 PM   #62
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Basically, it is how a horse uses his energy during a race. Front runners will generally expend more energy in the early part of a race will closers will do so in the stretch.

Total Energy is defined as either the sum of a horse's velociy at the second call added to it's velocity in the third fraction, or the sum of it's velocity in each of the three fractions.

Say a horse ran 46 25 on the lead at 6 furlongs.
It's early velocity is 57.39 fps, and it's late velocity is 52.80 fps.

Total energy is 57.39 +52.80 = 110.19.
The early energy is 57.39/110.19 = 52.08%

A horse in the same race who was 5 lengths behind at 2nd call ran 56.30 fps and if it finished within a length, it ran 52.40 fps late.

56.30+5240 = 110.87
56.30/110.87 = 50.78%


If you are interested, Bris has a collection of free newsletters for AllWays software thar talk a lot about handicapping topics.

This one covers the energy expenditure.

http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/stati...brs&header=off
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Old 08-26-2022, 09:41 PM   #63
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Basically, it is how a horse uses his energy during a race. Front runners will generally expend more energy in the early part of a race will closers will do so in the stretch.

Total Energy is defined as either the sum of a horse's velociy at the second call added to it's velocity in the third fraction, or the sum of it's velocity in each of the three fractions.

Say a horse ran 46 25 on the lead at 6 furlongs.
It's early velocity is 57.39 fps, and it's late velocity is 52.80 fps.

Total energy is 57.39 +52.80 = 110.19.
The early energy is 57.39/110.19 = 52.08%

A horse in the same race who was 5 lengths behind at 2nd call ran 56.30 fps and if it finished within a length, it ran 52.40 fps late.

56.30+5240 = 110.87
56.30/110.87 = 50.78%


If you are interested, Bris has a collection of free newsletters for AllWays software thar talk a lot about handicapping topics.

This one covers the energy expenditure.

http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/stati...brs&header=off
Comes up as a dead link.
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Old 08-26-2022, 11:37 PM   #64
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You nees to highlight to adress, when it is blue, hit enter.
The old Whobet work around.

Or log into Bris, go to the old library and look down a bit for AllWays newsletters.
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Another way is to right click on the link and choose "Copy Link Address" or something similar from the context menu. Then right click again and choose "Paste and Go" and paste the link in the address bar. You can use your current tab or open a new one in your browser and paste the link there.
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Thanks. Got it.
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Good!
There is 4 part series on Brohamer in there.
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@Tom Thanks for the explanation! I recognize it now as Mr. Tom Brohamer's creation.
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Good!
There is 4 part series on Brohamer in there.
Thanks. I have MPH. This might be a good read.
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Old 08-27-2022, 05:03 PM   #70
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Here's the Travers in MPH

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Here's the Travers in MPH
I was referring to the book.
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Tom, are your screenshots from MPH PRO software on Trackmaster? They don't look like what I see when I use MPH PRO though all the info is the same.
Thanks.
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Tom, are your screenshots from MPH PRO software on Trackmaster? They don't look like what I see when I use MPH PRO though all the info is the same.
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No, that is the original MPH Brohamer released.
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Thanks, Tom. Is that available anywhere? Do you feed it with a data file or hand-crank the pacelines?
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I'm fairly convinced measuring "energy" and the demands of the race/distance/surface is the way, light, and truth, but I'm less sure the commonly used formulas are complete and getting it right (not that I have a better formula).

I think there's another component to this.

Ex.

Three horses can run 4F in 45 comfortably and then finish 6F in 1:10.

If they are pressed to 44 3/5, they may not react the same way.

One may falter and finish in 1:10 3/5

One may have enough energy in reserve to run 1:10 anyway, but start cracking at 44 2/5 and slow down to 1:10 2/5.

One may have had so much in reserve the faster pace will carry it to 109 4/5, but start cracking at 44 1/5 and run 110 2/5.

I think this is the kind of stuff that gets exposed as horses move up and down the class ladder and face tougher or softer trips within a race.
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