|
|
03-06-2017, 12:46 PM
|
#181
|
Veteran
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 4,553
|
Anacalypsis by Higgins
|
|
|
03-06-2017, 12:48 PM
|
#182
|
Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 6,843
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey
A non-material person, I presume, replete with a non-material beating heart (the heart of Jesus) I suppose...and other such absurdities...
|
Yikes Vigors, you seem to be locked into this tiny little box..
Heck, even the scientists who may reject any sort of deity, will on the other hand, allude to "dimensions or realms" that are well beyond man's ancient or current ability to comprehend, as we yet know it...
Perhaps if you replaced "spiritually" with "dimensional" it might go a long way in reassessing some of the conclusions of some of the things that you have dismissed or rejected, as simply not possible...And, perhaps that "dimensionality" may have been expressed in a book somewhere...
__________________
.
"Cursed be the man who puts his trust in man" - Jer 17:5 (KJV)
|
|
|
03-06-2017, 01:34 PM
|
#183
|
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 46,884
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey
A non-material person, I presume, replete with a non-material beating heart (the heart of Jesus) I suppose...and other such absurdities...
|
But still a person! God is not an "it" such as what Light's pantheism teaches. God is a person -- with a mind, will and affections -- NOT like man's but nonetheless still mind, will and affections.
__________________
Consistent profits can only be made on the basis of analysis that is far from obvious to the majority. - anonymous guru
|
|
|
03-06-2017, 01:43 PM
|
#184
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 28,579
|
IMO...only a fool would describe God as a "person", based on something that he has read in a book. Especially when that book clearly states that "no man has looked at God, and lived".
IMO...whatever we say to describe God can, at best, be only PARTIALLY right.
__________________
"Theory is knowledge that doesn't work. Practice is when everything works and you don't know why."
-- Hermann Hesse
|
|
|
03-06-2017, 01:55 PM
|
#185
|
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 46,884
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by thaskalos
IMO...only a fool would describe God as a "person", based on something that he has read in a book. Especially when that book clearly states that "no man has looked at God, and lived".
IMO...whatever we say to describe God can, at best, be only PARTIALLY right.
|
Only a fool would deny that Jesus was God come in the flesh. What was Jesus: An it?
__________________
Consistent profits can only be made on the basis of analysis that is far from obvious to the majority. - anonymous guru
|
|
|
03-06-2017, 01:59 PM
|
#186
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 28,579
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by boxcar
Only a fool would deny that Jesus was God come in the flesh. What was Jesus: An it?
|
Even Jesus HIMSELF denied that he was "God in the flesh". "Why do you call me GOOD? Only GOD is good!"...he exclaimed to someone who praised him.
__________________
"Theory is knowledge that doesn't work. Practice is when everything works and you don't know why."
-- Hermann Hesse
|
|
|
03-06-2017, 03:13 PM
|
#188
|
Veteran
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 4,553
|
https://jaelspeg.files.wordpress.com...sus-of-naz.jpg
This is your God, the one that created the universe in 6 days and then rested...?
Remember, there is only 1 God, so this MUST be Him, right...?
I suppose He is just reviewing what He wrote...
Last edited by VigorsTheGrey; 03-06-2017 at 03:18 PM.
|
|
|
03-06-2017, 03:18 PM
|
#189
|
PA Steward
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
Posts: 88,777
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey
|
Why the **** do you continue to mock people of faith?
Who the hell are you to be such an asshole? Where exactly do you get off?
Mocking boxcar is one thing...but to throw out these kinds of generalizations and insults to Christians and Jews (primarily...still haven't seen you mock Islam or Mohammed yet) is going over the line.
You need to step back and start acting more adult...accept that there are billions of people in this world with billions of different beliefs and let it end there.
|
|
|
03-06-2017, 04:06 PM
|
#190
|
Veteran
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 4,553
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Why the **** do you continue to mock people of faith?
Who the hell are you to be such an asshole? Where exactly do you get off?
Mocking boxcar is one thing...but to throw out these kinds of generalizations and insults to Christians and Jews (primarily...still haven't seen you mock Islam or Mohammed yet) is going over the line.
You need to step back and start acting more adult...accept that there are billions of people in this world with billions of different beliefs and let it end there.
|
Me, little ol' me and my pen...? A threat to over 2000 yrs of Christianity and Judaism....I think not....my words cannot possibly alter the faith of the faithful....in fact, it makes them stronger, and affords them the opportunity to reply in their efforts to convert me....I have only presented a picture of what they say they believe in....they believe in the sacred heart of Jesus...they believe that Jesus created the universe, that Jesus wasa Jew who believed (and inspired theTorah)...why is it mockery to present in graphic terms what they believe....? I must have touch a nerve...I could speak also of the absurdities of Islam as well if you prefer...this is after all a thread concerning religion...and with billions of the faithful, maybe a dissenting view might be tolerated....posters can respond for themselves,
Or are you one of those knights that must protect the holy from the profane...my point is that Christianity and Judaism are both pagen through and through, in fact, all human religions are pagen...to maintain otherwise is the classic sign of a religious bigot....it is a false and vicious distinction to draw...and if the monotheists cannot see this...well, go figure...
|
|
|
03-06-2017, 05:28 PM
|
#191
|
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 46,884
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by thaskalos
Even Jesus HIMSELF denied that he was "God in the flesh". "Why do you call me GOOD? Only GOD is good!"...he exclaimed to someone who praised him.
|
No, he didn't! This passage has been discussed numerous times. All Jesus was doing was questioning this self-righteous, covetous rich man's presumption to any man's inherent goodness. This man thought Jesus was merely a "good" man -- a "good" teacher. He had no idea that he was speaking to the Jewish Messiah. Also, Jesus would have contradicted himself several times because in other places he made claim to his deity.
__________________
Consistent profits can only be made on the basis of analysis that is far from obvious to the majority. - anonymous guru
|
|
|
03-06-2017, 05:51 PM
|
#192
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 28,579
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by boxcar
No, he didn't! This passage has been discussed numerous times. All Jesus was doing was questioning this self-righteous, covetous rich man's presumption to any man's inherent goodness. This man thought Jesus was merely a "good" man -- a "good" teacher. He had no idea that he was speaking to the Jewish Messiah. Also, Jesus would have contradicted himself several times because in other places he made claim to his deity.
|
The truth, of course, is that you have no IDEA what Jesus was doing...regardless of how much you profess that you are attuned to his thinking process. And I defy you to present a single quote in which Jesus claims what you said earlier. That he was "God in the flesh".
__________________
"Theory is knowledge that doesn't work. Practice is when everything works and you don't know why."
-- Hermann Hesse
|
|
|
03-06-2017, 07:14 PM
|
#193
|
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 46,884
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by thaskalos
The truth, of course, is that you have no IDEA what Jesus was doing...regardless of how much you profess that you are attuned to his thinking process. And I defy you to present a single quote in which Jesus claims what you said earlier. That he was "God in the flesh".
|
Don't get your panties in the wad. I never said Jesus used the formula you stated above.
Secondly, yes, I have a very good idea of what Jesus was doing since the bible teaches the doctrine of Total Depravity, and Jesus himself said that men are evil.
__________________
Consistent profits can only be made on the basis of analysis that is far from obvious to the majority. - anonymous guru
|
|
|
03-06-2017, 09:36 PM
|
#194
|
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: St. Louis suburb
Posts: 1,764
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire
I wonder if Vigors believes in gravity?
|
At least when Actor avoids foundational philosophical questions that may challenge his materialism (e.g., no physical process is determinate; some of our thoughts are determinate; how can thought be a wholly physical process?), he doesn't claim to be interested in philosophy.
__________________
"I like to come here (Saratoga) every year to visit my money." ---Joe E. Lewis
|
|
|
03-06-2017, 10:39 PM
|
#195
|
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: St. Louis suburb
Posts: 1,764
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey
In order for me to believe or disbelieve, one MUST first provide a definition of WHAT GOD IS...No one can do this, because it is impossible to render a description of an immateriality....
One might say that god is "spirit"...Now what exactly is "spirit"..?
"Spirit" might as well be "Bncwebecsdugb" because there is no one to one correspondence here at all, to anything in the real world...it does not make sense to be "a" (meaning "not) "Bncwebecsdugb"....
One cannot be an "a-"Bncwebecsdugb"....an "abncwebecsdugb"....it is just nonsense....
Please provide a testable and provable definition of god, and you might make a believer or disbeliever of me....
|
Let's consider your "Bncwebecsdugb"...
The materialist W.V. Quine proposed an "indeterminacy of translation"...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indete...of_translation
...whereby, for any collection of physical facts, no matter how large, there is nothing about them that entails one specific meaning rather than another. Your improvised word, or any other word, carries no specific, universal meaning in the ink, the type, the shape of the symbols, etc. Such is true of the physical world at large, according to no less than materialist Daniel Dennett, et.al...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indete..._consciousness
...Yet we do exhibit determinate thought in formal thinking... adding, arguing via valid inferences, focusing on my particular argument here in order to respond, etc.
Therefore, how can formal thinking be wholly a physical process?
__________________
"I like to come here (Saratoga) every year to visit my money." ---Joe E. Lewis
Last edited by dnlgfnk; 03-06-2017 at 10:46 PM.
Reason: Bad link
|
|
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
|