Special counsel Robert Mueller

[OntheRail]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Pretty sure there was a thread back then too... maybe he shouldn't have been talking to Russian agents... then he'd REALLY have a point huh?

Call it spying... call it surveillance... whatever you want.

After reading the report I'm glad we were doing it.

You woooshed on the point that this place gets a daily firmware update from @realdonaldtrump.

Swimming deeper and deeper still.

[jocko699]

Originally Posted by OntheRail

Swimming deeper and deeper still.

Someone throw him a life ring!!!!!

[woodtoo]

Originally Posted by jocko699

Someone throw him a life ring!!!!!

No way!!!!!

[jocko699]

[Show Me the Wire]

Today we have seen more proof of Mueller's incompetence and why as a political hack, or political appointee as Barr called him, he failed the U.S. and its citizens again.

The man f***ed up the important Anthrax case and he does it again with the Special Counsel appointment.

Mueller declined to make a prosectutorial decision on obstruction of justice, a crime he was authorized to investigate per the scope of investigation letter.

If Mueller believed he couldn't make a decision about a crime he should not have investigated the issue.

All he did by not making a decision is further undermine his credibility as a competent investigator and prosecutor.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire

Today we have seen more proof of Mueller's incompetence and why as a political hack, or political appointee as Barr called him, he failed the U.S. and its citizens again.

The man f***ed up the important Anthrax case and he does it again with the Special Counsel appointment.

Mueller declined to make a prosectutorial decision on obstruction of justice, a crime he was authorized to investigate per the scope of investigation letter.

If Mueller believed he couldn't make a decision about a crime he should not have investigated the issue.

All he did by not making a decision is further undermine his credibility as a competent investigator and prosecutor.

Quoted to you in another thread... ignored there as well.

And apart from OLC’s constitutional view, we recognized that a federal criminal accusation against a sitting President would place burdens on the President’s capacity to govern and potentially preempt constitutional processes for addressing presidential misconduct.

[Show Me the Wire]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Quoted to you in another thread... ignored there as well.

Not ignored, but addressed in the other thread and in this thread. Without a finding of a crime the OLC opinion does not apply. Without a crime there is no lawful indictment for a non-existent crime, regardless of the existence of OLC opinion.

The OLC opinion is only relevant based on a finding of a crime being committed. Again, no crime committed the OLC opinion has no impact on the decision to charge. N crime, no indictment, period.

[Show Me the Wire]

Fourth, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state.

What a great admission of Mueller's incompetence to run a major investigation contained in his own written report.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire

Not ignored, but addressed in the other thread and in this thread. Without a finding of a crime the OLC opinion does not apply. Without a crime there is no lawful indictment for a non-existent crime, regardless of the existence of OLC opinion.

The OLC opinion is only relevant based on a finding of a crime being committed. Again, no crime committed the OLC opinion has no impact on the decision to charge. N crime, no indictment, period.

READ THE REPORT!

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire

Not ignored, but addressed in the other thread and in this thread. Without a finding of a crime the OLC opinion does not apply. Without a crime there is no lawful indictment for a non-existent crime, regardless of the existence of OLC opinion.

The OLC opinion is only relevant based on a finding of a crime being committed. Again, no crime committed the OLC opinion has no impact on the decision to charge. N crime, no indictment, period.

Wooosh on the punting to Congress...

and potentially preempt constitutional processes for addressing presidential misconduct.

Would you like the section on his argument of Separation Powers next?

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by Tom

READ THE REPORT!

Don't bother... its extremely obvious none of you would understand it at this point.

Now that its evident that Barr grossly misinterpreted/misrepresented the report though I expect the standard Mueller attacks to begin.

SMTW has already got a head start.

Pity Barr didn't just release the summaries like requested...

[Show Me the Wire]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Wooosh on the punting to Congress...



Would you like the section on his argument of Separation Powers next?

Congress does not have the authority to investigate crimes and make prosecutorial decisions to charge or not charge.

So what is Mueller punting to Congress? Is he trying to punt to Congress DoJ powers? Remember Mueller's power to investigates comes from the DoJ, not congress, therefore he cannot punt his DoJ authority to congress.

Mueller is an incompetent political hack. His incompetence is demonstrated by their admission they did not have confidence in their investigation to determine clear evidence of a crime by the President

AG Barr is correct Mueller should not have investigated obstruction if he felt he could not have made a prosecutorial decision based on the evidence gathered through their thorough investigation.

I bet the Repub committee members are chomping at the bit to question Mueller about his lack of confidence in his investigative abilities.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Don't bother... its extremely obvious none of you would understand it at this point.

Pity Barr didn't just release the summaries like requested...

His job was to write a report. We don't need his stinking summary.
I suggest maybe YOU are the one who doesn't understand.

[Show Me the Wire]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Now that its evident that Barr grossly misinterpreted/misrepresented the report though I expect the standard Mueller attacks to begin.

We are still waiting for the textual quotes from the report, which are in conflict with AG Barr's letter. Barr stated there was no collusion with Russia, is he wrong. Point out the text in the report that states the finding there was collusion between a U.S. citizen, the campaign or the President with Russia.

Also, Barr stated Mueller did not come to a conclusion on obstruction of justice. Mueller's report does not contain a conclusion on the obstruction issue.

Mueller's report has been out since Good Friday, so quote the findings which disagree with AG Barr.

Prove Barr's misrepresentation you speak of by quoting factual findings of Mueller's report which show there was collusion by a U.S. citizen, the campaign, or the President and that Mueller made a definite finding on obstruction?

[woodtoo]

Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire

We are still waiting for the textual quotes from the report, which are in conflict with AG Barr's letter. Barr stated there was no collusion with Russia, is he wrong. Point out the text in the report that states the finding there was collusion between a U.S. citizen, the campaign or the President with Russia.

Also, Barr stated Mueller did not come to a conclusion on obstruction of justice. Mueller's report does not contain a conclusion on the obstruction issue.

Mueller's report has been out since Good Friday, so quote the findings which disagree with AG Barr.

Prove Barr's misrepresentation you speak of by quoting factual findings of Mueller's report which show there was collusion by a U.S. citizen, the campaign, or the President and that Mueller made a definite finding on obstruction?

He just make $hit up.