Oh, The Humanity!

[Teach]

“Masser, please don’t break up the family! We’ll work hard for you, Masser,” the slave pleaded.

During the ante-bellum period, buying and selling slaves was as simple as trading stocks on one of the exchanges. After all, slaves were “liquid”. You might not have always received the price you were seeking; however, you got something (cash) to pay a bill or pay off a gambling debt.

In the case above - a true story - that I often used for ancillary readings on slavery, a slave family of five: father, mother and three children were about to be sold. As the five slaves stood on the auction block, bids were coming in from every direction. Just then, one of the bidders noticed that one of the children, a boy in his teen years, was holding his arm behind his back. One of the bidders said, “Boy, pull your arm out from behind your back.” When the boy did as instructed, it revealed the fact that he had mangled his hand in a cotton gin accident. Well, his value and that of his entire family suddenly depreciated.

That’s when the father pleaded with highest bidder to keep the family together. “Don’t break up the family, Masser!” the father said. Yet, despite his pleas, the teenaged boy was not part of the purchase plan. “Why should I pay for defective ‘goods?’” the slave-owning bidder said.

In the end, the teenaged son was not part of the deal. He was sold separately at a reduced price.

This brings me to the situation of the deportation of Mexicans from our shores. Yes, there are many who are here illegally. Yet, they’re not, in most cases, crooks, felons or drug-dealers, but law-abiding people. Yet, the “otter-door” approach rounds up everyone and prepares them for deportation.

Frankly, there must be a better way. A more humane approach. A “pathway to citizenship”. I’m not saying that some people should not be deported. Yet, each situation should be looked at on a case-by-case basis.

Further, I ask: If these Mexicans were of European stock, would we take the same pains to deport them?

Again, the United States is a nation of immigrants whose residents came from foreign shores to forge a better life for themselves and their families.

Oh, the humanity! How callous. How cruel! That’s not what we’re all about. And, we’re not the cruel, heartless Simon Lagrees who kept a teen-aged black slave from remaining with his family.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Teach

“Masser, please don’t break up the family! We’ll work hard for you, Masser,” the slave pleaded.

During the ante-bellum period, buying and selling slaves was as simple as trading stocks on one of the exchanges. After all, slaves were “liquid”. You might not have always received the price you were seeking; however, you got something (cash) to pay a bill or pay off a gambling debt.

In the case above - a true story - that I often used for ancillary readings on slavery, a slave family of five: father, mother and three children were about to be sold. As the five slaves stood on the auction block, bids were coming in from every direction. Just then, one of the bidders noticed that one of the children, a boy in his teen years, was holding his arm behind his back. One of the bidders said, “Boy, pull your arm out from behind your back.” When the boy did as instructed, it revealed the fact that he had mangled his hand in a cotton gin accident. Well, his value and that of his entire family suddenly depreciated.

That’s when the father pleaded with highest bidder to keep the family together. “Don’t break up the family, Masser!” the father said. Yet, despite his pleas, the teenaged boy was not part of the purchase plan. “Why should I pay for defective ‘goods?’” the slave-owning bidder said.

In the end, the teenaged son was not part of the deal. He was sold separately at a reduced price.

This brings me to the situation of the deportation of Mexicans from our shores. Yes, there are many who are here illegally. Yet, they’re not, in most cases, crooks, felons or drug-dealers, but law-abiding people. Yet, the “otter-door” approach rounds up everyone and prepares them for deportation.

Frankly, there must be a better way. A more humane approach. A “pathway to citizenship”. I’m not saying that some people should not be deported. Yet, each situation should be looked at on a case-by-case basis.

Further, I ask: If these Mexicans were of European stock, would we take the same pains to deport them?

Again, the United States is a nation of immigrants whose residents came from foreign shores to forge a better life for themselves and their families.

Oh, the humanity! How callous. How cruel! That’s not what we’re all about. And, we’re not the cruel, heartless Simon Lagrees who kept a teen-aged black slave from remaining with his family.

If the Mexican illegals were truly law-abiding people, why not enter the U.S. legally in the first place, following U.S. laws? Why not follow what real immigrants do from other countries, including Europe, Asia, Canada, Australia, Africa, etc.? Once you talking about how law-abiding these illegals are in one sentence, you have lost all credibility. All wishing to come into this country should play by the same rules as the rest of the world does when they want to enter. How callous, How cruel that any civilized nation should should have immigration laws in the first place, let alone have them and then want to enforce the laws on the books!

[woodtoo]

Is your plan (idea) to keep the families together and send them all back home?

Or to keep the family together to sell as a package to the highest bidder?

[johnhannibalsmith]

I'm closer to democrats than to Trump on the subject but this is a pretty ridiculous analogy.

[letswastemoney]

I am sick of being told illegal immigrants are law abiding people that deserve to be here.

Maybe I can be convinced the safe ones can stay, but they certainly take a risk in coming here illegally. One of those risks is being subject to deportations for simply have crossed illegally! No one told them to break any rules. It was their choice!

My parents came here legally from the Phillipines. EVERYONE should go through the proper process. Even the workers in the field.

Want to make the rules easier to come in? Fine. But make all of them come in legally.

[boxcar]

how inhumane, cruel, heartless and uncaring this nation has become in not looking out for its own first.

Civil Rights Activist: Illegal Immigration Hurts Job Prospects for Black Men

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/02/2...black-men-most

And in addition, how inconsiderate to working taxpayers who not only very often foot the health care bill for illegals but also pick up the welfare tab for many of the unemployed blacks because these black folks can't compete with the illegals for employment.

[VigorsTheGrey]

And when the USA becomes just like Mexico, with all its problems that so many are fleeing from and bringing here, where would you have all of us immigrate to....? Australia.....? Why can't they stay in their own country and fix Mexico....? What exactly is it about Mexico and Mexicans.....what is it about their political and economic system that makes it so wretched....? Or is it just over-population...seems like they all want large families....

[Fager Fan]

Of course the Mexicans did nothing to cause this problem. They're just hapless victims who did everything legally and logically and with foresight, and yet that darned American government is going to rip them apart!

If you're her illegally and start a family here, then aren't you the one who risked your family being torn apart?

If the parent(s) must return to Mexico, then shouldn't it be up to Mexico to allow their children to go with them? And vice versa if Mexico kicks out illegal Americans in Mexico?

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey

And when the USA becomes just like Mexico, with all its problems that so many are fleeing from and bringing here, where would you have all of us immigrate to....? Australia.....? Why can't they stay in their own country and fix Mexico....? What exactly is it about Mexico and Mexicans.....what is it about their political and economic system that makes it so wretched....? Or is it just over-population...seems like they all want large families....

Have you considered migrating to Mexico to be become a community organizer? You could teach them about the inexpressible joys and innumerable benefits of socialism, which would certainly stem the tide of the mass exodus of their citizens to other lands.

[Greyfox]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Have you considered migrating to Mexico to be become a community organizer?

He can't. The Dems hired him when Mostie indicated that he wanted to retire from his paid shilling post.

[Inner Dirt]

Originally Posted by Teach

Yes, there are many who are here illegally. Yet, they’re not, in most cases, crooks, felons or drug-dealers, but law-abiding people.

Read that again. If you come here illegally you broke the law, therefore you are no longer a law abiding citizen.

[VigorsTheGrey]

Drug trafficking is so much a part of what is so wrong with both Mexico and America...and who, historically controls global drug traffic....the aristocratic families of Britain...this has been the case at least since the opium wars with China.... Now you can make the argument that it is the end user of drugs that is the problem....that without the demand for drugs, the British and their middlemen would not be successful in their enterprises....but drug pushers know that humans are weak, and they cynically exploit this weakness for their own benefit, and on top of it, BLAME the addict...

Many of our social problems and protest issues arrive as a result of British undermining of our politics and economics....and it has been this way at least since the Civil War.....the so-called American Left is financed by British financial oligarchies in collusion with their American based counterparts....so to demonize minorities attempting to migrate here is wholly missing the mark....often they are fleeing the chaos engendered by the British Aristocratic families in their own native countries...

[davew]

Teach, are you like 0bama, a slave descendent?

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey

Drug trafficking is so much a part of what is so wrong with both Mexico and America...and who, historically controls global drug traffic....the aristocratic families of Britain...this has been the case at least since the opium wars with China.... Now you can make the argument that it is the end user of drugs that is the problem....that without the demand for drugs, the British and their middlemen would not be successful in their enterprises....but drug pushers know that humans are weak, and they cynically exploit this weakness for their own benefit, and on top of it, BLAME the addict...

Many of our social problems and protest issues arrive as a result of British undermining of our politics and economics....and it has been this way at least since the Civil War.....the so-called American Left is financed by British financial oligarchies in collusion with their American based counterparts....so to demonize minorities attempting to migrate here is wholly missing the mark....often they are fleeing the chaos engendered by the British Aristocratic families in their own native countries...

I haven't seen anyone of this thread "demonizing" migrating minorities. My sense is that most of us here simply believe firmly in a law and order society. How you do infer demonization, racism or xenophobia out out this?
I'd venture to say that most countries in the world have immigration policies that are far more stringent than our own! You could start with Mexico's.

[barahona44]

Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey

Drug trafficking is so much a part of what is so wrong with both Mexico and America...and who, historically controls global drug traffic....the aristocratic families of Britain...this has been the case at least since the opium wars with China.... Now you can make the argument that it is the end user of drugs that is the problem....that without the demand for drugs, the British and their middlemen would not be successful in their enterprises....but drug pushers know that humans are weak, and they cynically exploit this weakness for their own benefit, and on top of it, BLAME the addict...

Many of our social problems and protest issues arrive as a result of British undermining of our politics and economics....and it has been this way at least since the Civil War.....the so-called American Left is financed by British financial oligarchies in collusion with their American based counterparts....so to demonize minorities attempting to migrate here is wholly missing the mark....often they are fleeing the chaos engendered by the British Aristocratic families in their own native countries...

The Brits still haven't gotten over the War of 1812 yet? I have to admit that this is the first time I have heard that Lord Hawthorne-Smythe and his ilk are financing the cartels.

On a serious note, most people who take drugs are not addicts.For many , it is more of a habit or they may have a psychological need to " take the edge off" that others might satisfy with a cocktail or two.Those people I do blame partly (I'm not letting dealers and suppliers off the hook) for the inflow as they drive most of the market.The addict needs help and they are the ones who are the more immediate threat to society as they often turn to crime to raise the money to buy drugs.