NYRA TURF ROUTES

[thespaah]

Originally Posted by EMD4ME

I do. Believe me I do. It's when you see 4 speed horses in a race and only 1 remotely has any interest (for the lead) in a race that irks me.

When I see 1 or 2 speeds, I just go to town on the 2 speeds There is no way they will kill each other out there.

But as a fan, it's very boring to see these parades so often.

Yeah...Some of the longer races are not very exciting.
It depends.....

[EMD4ME]

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer

guess supertrainers and superowners will make sure they have a rabbit in an important race

Nope....they make sure the other speed gets scratched !!!

[Robert Fischer]

Originally Posted by EMD4ME

Nope....they make sure the other speed gets scratched !!!

golden rule = those who have the gold, make the rules...


So, do we 'watch list' Imperia (sixth race), or does the possibility of more hard held, soft splits, make that a bad bet-back?

[EMD4ME]

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer

golden rule = those who have the gold, make the rules...


So, do we 'watch list' Imperia (sixth race), or does the possibility of more hard held, soft splits, make that a bad bet-back?

Her loss in the BC in 2014, cost me the Pick 6 Hit 5/6....

I bet her off of Javier Castalleno's brutal ride (and she overcame it) going into the BC.

Her loss at AQU was interesting as the winner (of the N1X) came back with 2 very nice efforts in GRADE 1'S!!!

Her trip today was brutal. To answer your question, of course.

BUT, she might come back at 3/5, get another brutal parade of choking at the SPA and run a tough luck 2nd.

[no breathalyzer]

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer

golden rule = those who have the gold, make the rules...


So, do we 'watch list' Imperia (sixth race), or does the possibility of more hard held, soft splits, make that a bad bet-back?

i bet this horse large today... needless to say i'm very disappointed!

still not sure how i feel about that ride

[Robert Fischer]

Musical jockeys and 3 months off after the last race, but today's effort could certainly be one to build on.

May not be much price, even with a '3rd' today.

[Zaf]

Originally Posted by no breathalyzer

i bet this horse large today... needless to say i'm very disappointed!

still not sure how i feel about that ride

I bet her too, after the 6F split I thought she had no shot. She ran very gamely up the rail to just miss.

Z

[johnhannibalsmith]

Originally Posted by EMD4ME

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Pay 15% of the purse to the leader after 1/4 of a mile. Pay 15% of the purse to the leader after 1/2 a mile.

...

That's actually a horseman's bar bet. Heads-up whoever is behind at the poles buys the other a beer.

[EMD4ME]

Originally Posted by johnhannibalsmith

That's actually a horseman's bar bet. Heads-up whoever is behind at the poles buys the other a beer.

That's funny!

On a similar note, I was watching 1 trainer and 1 owner (the owner doesn't use the trainer) watching a race last week at Belmont. Just coincidentally next to them as the race went off.

They were cursing up a storm to each other about the grabs.

Trainer said to owner: Why do they keep grabbing SO MUCH?

I interrupted: Because you keep giving these clowns a leg up.

[cj]

Originally Posted by thespaah

The only issues with Belmont turf races are the one mile in the inner and 8.5f races on the Widener. Inside posts seem to be disadvantaged at those distances.
Now, strangling. I don't see that.
When a horse wants to go and is throwing his head about or has a choppy action, yes the rider is trying to control a horse that wants to run off.
Most often though, I see horses on the front end of routes relaxed and smooth gaited. Nothing wrong with that.
The way I see it is the jocks laying off the pace can do whatever they want. If they think the pace is too slow, they can go to the front and make a faster pace.

Don't think they run mile races on the inner.

[Dahoss9698]

Originally Posted by thespaah

Question. Why not handicap the turf routes using the info you have based on the way these races are contested?
At the end of the day, it makes no difference how they run the race. As handicappers, we have to figure that out.

Question...do you bet? Not like have you bet ever, but recently, have you been playing Belmont or any other track?

[biggestal99]

Originally Posted by EMD4ME

I have an idea.

After watching countless races go 26 52 117 and then come home supposedly in 21 and change......

I don't remember the last time (besides this year) that horses supposedly came home in sub 22 in Turf Routes.

Why not just make every Turf Route a 2F turf sprint. That way we can eliminate the guess work as to who will have the advantage in these crazy choke a thons and just fast forward to the only quarter that these jocks want to run in, the last one.



Not talking about any 1 race in particular. Just speaking overall.

You'd hate euro races, most times they just run in one big group and then sprint home.

Maybe the us jocks are finally wising up.

Allan

[EMD4ME]

Originally Posted by biggestal99

You'd hate euro races, most times they just run in one big group and then sprint home.

Maybe the us jocks are finally wising up.

Allan

I've watched those races. For some reason they seems more fair than here. Maybe because the turns are wider at some tracks or the configurations are different. In the USA , the turns are tighter and the stretch run is shorter.

I miss the days at Belmont where you had to be real GOOD to wire a field.

If it were up to me, that grass would never be paved or shaved.

[Saratoga_Mike]

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698

Question...do you bet? Not like have you bet ever, but recently, have you been playing Belmont or any other track?

DH - OT, but how about posting some selections during the Spa meet?

[Hambletonian]

Originally Posted by thespaah

The euros have been racing routes in this manner for decades.
I once heard a prominent trainer say this.
"Over there they run a mile and a half in an hour and a half"...
It is just the style of the racing....It is accepted as is....

No doubt. Really doesn't matter about the distance, since it is a jog until 800 meters or so out and then a rush home. Bet on a race a St. Cloud, seems like 20 something horses, they came out of the turn and it looked like the charge of the light brigade. I had no idea where the ones I was rooting for were, had to wait until the numbers got posted. Cool thing about that track, there was a bunch of big ole trees right in the middle of the area where the riders pulled up.

I have never understood why turf races here are run so differently pace wise than dirt races.