You won. But what did you win?

[PaceAdvantage]

This is why I converted...

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

This is why I converted...

Smart boy!

[davew]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

This is why I converted...

too what? independently dislike both major parties?

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

Jesus stood for feeding the hungry and clothing the naked. "If you don't give to the least of society, then you have refused me"...he famously said. If he were a "conservative"...then he would have told the beggars to go get jobs.

He did? Chapter and verse, please.

P.S. However, I'm also for "feeding the hungry and clothing the naked", which is a lot different than saying I'm for giving handouts to anyone whose hands are out.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Waquoit

And stupid apparently. Who is they? Iran? China? "They" are not coming. But keep playing the ponies please.

Does replying to you - a horse's ASS count?

[Tom]

A real simple question started this tread, yet one lefty has been smart enough to answer it.

Not unexpected.

[Waquoit]

Originally Posted by Tom

A real simple question started this tread, yet one lefty has been smart enough to answer it.

Not unexpected.

Now that the smoke is clearing enough to see what is going on, I'd like to ask the liberals.

DO YOU LIKE WHAT YOU SEE?

ARE YOU PROUD OF WHAT YOU HAVE ACCOMPLISHED?


The "real simple" question was nonsensical, of the "have you stopped beating your wife" variety. The OP appears to blame the attack on the Capitol on people who weren't even there. It sounds just like when a wife-beater tells his wife, "you're making me do this!" What we accomplished? Accomplished by voting for the superior candidate, you mean? The attack on the Capitol is all on the GOP and to say or suggest otherwise is just more bad faith from folks that have an unlimited supply.

[Light]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

Come on now...let's stop pretending that we really know what Jesus did, or didn't do. None of us were there...so, we can't know what the man was truly about. You can't reduce a man's life to just a few disjointed aphorisms.

You are disputing my statement that Jesus did not advocate riots,use of weapons or cause bodily harm. Yet in a later response to boxcar you say, "Jesus stood for feeding the hungry and clothing the naked".

Either you believe Jesus was Peaceful or you don't. You can't tell me one thing and tell someone else the opposite.

Originally Posted by thaskalos

"Do not resist evil"...Jesus supposedly said, did he not? At least that's what the scriptures say...and we could easily look it up. Now tell me...can any society, whether Christian or not, ever abide by such a principle and still function? Can we imagine what would happen to our own society if we suddenly decided to "stop resisting evil"?

First of all Evil is in the eye of the beholder. That is obvious. As Utopian as what Jesus says appears, it is the truth. However, the higher consciousness that Jesus said "Do not resist evil" makes it misinterpreted by those without that higher consciousness. For example, the understanding that when you focus on Evil as the enemy you empower it. When you focus on your inner love and strength to overcome evil, you no longer need to "resist" evil. You don't play its game. It has to come to your turf and it stands no chance that way. Jesus was no dummy.

Originally Posted by thaskalos

There are "true Christians" out there who say that they are 'committed to Christ', and yet they are walking around with guns in their pockets...for heaven's sake. Jesus was a gigantic enigma, and yet we talk as if we "know him"...and we use him as an example for our daily lives. Come on...

We have both told boxcar his brand of Christianity is diametrically opposed to what Jesus was talking about. But converting boxcar or these right wing Christians zealots is unnecessary.

Gandhi, and MLK are 2 examples of people with higher consciousness and knew how to be effective in a protest or a demonstration without violence. They knew that first of all if you use violence, your opponent will immediately pounce on that to demean your movement in public opinion and your cause will be damaged greatly. The fact that there have not been others to take the place of Gandhi or MLK does not mean non violent means of protest is ineffective or obsolete. What is clear is that violent means of protests will cause more damage to the protesters than their opponents and is self defeating.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by Light

You are disputing my statement that Jesus did not advocate riots,use of weapons or cause bodily harm. Yet in a later response to boxcar you say, "Jesus stood for feeding the hungry and clothing the naked".

Either you believe Jesus was Peaceful or you don't. You can't tell me one thing and tell someone else the opposite.

I wish I could dissect the posts like you can, so I could reply to your post all at once. But since I haven't figured that out yet...let me reply to this section of yours first:

I'm not disputing what you say...what you say could very well be the truth. But it could also be a falsity. To "dispute" means that I know for sure that what you say is FALSE...which is something that I cannot do. All I've said is that we don't know, from the brief biography of Jesus that we've been shown, what Jesus was all about...and whether he was prone to "violence", or not. You say that Jesus "caused no bodily harm"...and yet we have it recorded that he took whip in hand and chased the merchants out of his "Father's House"...when he saw that they had turned the church into a place of business. Why did the merchants flee when Jesus chased them out? Could it have been an "attack", instead of just a 'chasing'? Did Jesus STRIKE any of them...perhaps causing "bodily harm"?

My point is that we don't know...and we never will.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Light

You are disputing my statement that Jesus did not advocate riots,use of weapons or cause bodily harm. Yet in a later response to boxcar you say, "Jesus stood for feeding the hungry and clothing the naked".

Either you believe Jesus was Peaceful or you don't. You can't tell me one thing and tell someone else the opposite.




First of all Evil is in the eye of the beholder. That is obvious. As Utopian as what Jesus says appears, it is the truth. However, the higher consciousness that Jesus said "Do not resist evil" makes it misinterpreted by those without that higher consciousness. For example, the understanding that when you focus on Evil as the enemy you empower it. When you focus on your inner love and strength to overcome evil, you no longer need to "resist" evil. You don't play its game. It has to come to your turf and it stands no chance that way. Jesus was no dummy.



We have both told boxcar his brand of Christianity is diametrically opposed to what Jesus was talking about. But converting boxcar or these right wing Christians zealots is unnecessary.

Gandhi, and MLK are 2 examples of people with higher consciousness and knew how to be effective in a protest or a demonstration without violence. They knew that first of all if you use violence, your opponent will immediately pounce on that to demean your movement in public opinion and your cause will be damaged greatly. The fact that there have not been others to take the place of Gandhi or MLK does not mean non violent means of protest is ineffective or obsolete. What is clear is that violent means of protests will cause more damage to the protesters than their opponents and is self defeating.

Hear, hear: Spoken like a true moral relativist. Evil is to the eye the same way beauty to the eye is. But your "best friend" Jesus never had any part with moral relativism. In fact, he was quite the champion of absolute truth. Probably had something to do with his eternal existence. Just sayin'....

[Dave Schwartz]

Originally Posted by Waquoit

Now that the smoke is clearing enough to see what is going on, I'd like to ask the liberals.

DO YOU LIKE WHAT YOU SEE?

ARE YOU PROUD OF WHAT YOU HAVE ACCOMPLISHED?

Yes, I thought my meaning was pretty clear. It meant, "Do you like the way the country is changing as a result of this election?"

See, I held some crazy notion that a few of you might already see that things are going in the wrong direction and --- most important --- there is no way to get the manure back into the horse.

Give it time.

[ReplayRandall]

Guess what Obama just won?.....A FULL DECLAS by POTUS TRUMP per Lou Dobbs, just minutes ago.

Twitter

[AndyC]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

Jesus stood for feeding the hungry and clothing the naked. "If you don't give to the least of society, then you have refused me"...he famously said. If he were a "conservative"...then he would have told the beggars to go get jobs.

A good conservative would do both.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by Light

First of all Evil is in the eye of the beholder. That is obvious. As Utopian as what Jesus says appears, it is the truth. However, the higher consciousness that Jesus said "Do not resist evil" makes it misinterpreted by those without that higher consciousness. For example, the understanding that when you focus on Evil as the enemy you empower it. When you focus on your inner love and strength to overcome evil, you no longer need to "resist" evil. You don't play its game. It has to come to your turf and it stands no chance that way. Jesus was no dummy.

Yes...Jesus was no dummy. But he lived at a different time...and I wonder if his instructions are suitable for our life today. I admit to being "without higher consciousness", but I fear that my condition might be widespread. What do we mere mortals do when someone strikes us on one side of our face? Do we turn the other cheek to him as well? What do I do when someone asks me for spare change for bus-fare? Do I simply hand him the keys to my car? "If someone asks for your shirt...give him your coat as well"...Jesus said. Similarly...what do we do when we see "evil" being perpetrated? Since we haven't yet attained "higher consciousness", do we RESIST evil, or do we succumb to it. And...will our resistance prevent us from ever becoming "higher beings"?

Questions, questions...and hardly an adequate answer in sight.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by Light

Gandhi, and MLK are 2 examples of people with higher consciousness and knew how to be effective in a protest or a demonstration without violence. They knew that first of all if you use violence, your opponent will immediately pounce on that to demean your movement in public opinion and your cause will be damaged greatly. The fact that there have not been others to take the place of Gandhi or MLK does not mean non violent means of protest is ineffective or obsolete. What is clear is that violent means of protests will cause more damage to the protesters than their opponents and is self defeating.

Again...it depends on whom you believe. Gandhi and MLK may not have been as "enlightened" as widely advertised. I can't remember the name...but I recall reading the transcript of an interview conducted with a rich Hindu businessman who lived during the Gandhi years. "It cost me $250,000 a year to keep Gandhi in a plain robe and slippers"...I remember the businessman saying.

And MLK might have been prone to a different sort of "violence"...if some newly-discovered audiotapes out there are to be believed. I fear that there may be no legitimate "higher beings" out there anymore...