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06-24-2014, 05:34 PM
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Capper Al's hierarchy of handicapping
The idea here is like Maslow's Pyramid. Let's do this upside in reverse going from the lowest to the highest.
- Form Reader with basic math formulas like Earnings Per Start.
- System players like the Dot system including rudimentary eliminations rules.
- Factor players like Class, Speed, Trip, Pace, and even Comprehensive.
- Race Classification players like Quinn differentiating by classification. This is what one looks for in a claiming race which is different than an allowance race, etc.
- At the top, the self actualization is Form and Intent (Willingness and able). How will your horse run today? Will the barn go for it? Understanding of form cycle and trainers is needed here.
How would you make the handicapper's pyramid?
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06-25-2014, 09:21 AM
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ok.....I will try......
me Tarzan king of jungle... the easy life begins
me Tarzan can't see for the trees
me Tarzan climb higher to get a better view
me Tarzan get hungry, this is work..but the view from the top will be worth it
me Tarzan grab apples on way up the tree...everyone has to eat
me Tarzan,... when did elephants start hiding in trees
Dearly departed, Tarzan died picking apples
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06-25-2014, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by HUSKER55
ok.....I will try......
me Tarzan king of jungle... the easy life begins
me Tarzan can't see for the trees
me Tarzan climb higher to get a better view
me Tarzan get hungry, this is work..but the view from the top will be worth it
me Tarzan grab apples on way up the tree...everyone has to eat
me Tarzan,... when did elephants start hiding in trees
Dearly departed, Tarzan died picking apples
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Good description. Also makes clear why--when one is at the top of the trees--one is in a much better position to ignore those below as irrelevant, or to summarily deal with them in an expedient and effective manner if they become problematic.
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06-25-2014, 10:13 AM
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I asked for your opinion. I believed a discussion on how a capper develops might help. My problem. I forgot where I was.
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Anatole France
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06-25-2014, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Capper Al
I asked for your opinion. I believed a discussion on how a capper develops might help. My problem. I forgot where I was.
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When one asks for the opinion of another, it is unseemly to be distressed when that opinion is provided, honestly and without malice. Such distress might be interpreted (correctly or incorrectly) as a generic underlying fear of losing control.
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06-25-2014, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Capper Al
My problem. I forgot where I was.
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Yeah, this place sucks. Thanks for keeping the thread classy in your own right.
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06-25-2014, 12:20 PM
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Dante's Inferno
Your "handicapper's pyramid" bears more resemblance to Dante's Circles of Hell than it does to Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. Purgatorio is not reachable from it, much less Paradiso.
Extreme intelligence, creativity, and orginality is your letter of redemption.
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06-25-2014, 12:55 PM
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EXCEL with SUPERFECTAS
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Originally Posted by Magister Ludi
Your "handicapper's pyramid" bears more resemblance to Dante's Circles of Hell than it does to Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. Purgatorio is not reachable from it, much less Paradiso.
Extreme intelligence, creativity, and orginality is your letter of redemption.
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Define "extreme intelligence" as it pertains to horse racing analysis. It appears that you think only geniuses have any shot.
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06-25-2014, 01:17 PM
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The One Truth
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Originally Posted by Capper Al
I asked for your opinion. I believed a discussion on how a capper develops might help. My problem. I forgot where I was.
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Horseplayers have long memories, perhaps some members read all 800 pages of The One Truth thread or whatever it was, and do not feel like responding with a Maslow Hierarchy. Husker's response was spot on.
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06-25-2014, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Capper Al
I asked for your opinion. I believed a discussion on how a capper develops might help. My problem. I forgot where I was.
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Maybe your "will the barn go for it" reference turned people off.
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06-25-2014, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Yeah, this place sucks. Thanks for keeping the thread classy in your own right.
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Not that this place sucks as such, but more to my fault of not remembering the audience here. I was speaking to my experience of growth as a developer.
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06-25-2014, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Magister Ludi
Your "handicapper's pyramid" bears more resemblance to Dante's Circles of Hell than it does to Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. Purgatorio is not reachable from it, much less Paradiso.
Extreme intelligence, creativity, and orginality is your letter of redemption.
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Over my head. I'll take your word on this.
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"The Law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich, as well as the poor, to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread."
Anatole France
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06-25-2014, 02:03 PM
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EXCEL with SUPERFECTAS
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Originally Posted by Capper Al
I asked for your opinion. I believed a discussion on how a capper develops might help. My problem. I forgot where I was.
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Maybe you should have titled the thread, "How does a handicapper develop", not "Capper Al's hierarchy of handicapping". That tends to make people think the thread is all about you, and what you think, or think you know, not how other handicappers develop over time. Your history here tends to precede you in such matters.
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06-25-2014, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by notoutofpounds
Horseplayers have long memories, perhaps some members read all 800 pages of The One Truth thread or whatever it was, and do not feel like responding with a Maslow Hierarchy. Husker's response was spot on.
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The one truth still stands. Because you don't get it, doesn't mean that i did anything to intentionally upset people. Trust me. This is spot on.
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"The Law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich, as well as the poor, to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread."
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06-25-2014, 02:06 PM
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EXCEL with SUPERFECTAS
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Originally Posted by Capper Al
The one truth still stands. Because you don't get it, doesn't mean that i did anything to intentionally upset people. Trust me. This is spot on.
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If you care to reread that thread, your "truth" was never proven to be truth, except to you.
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