finally REALITY sinks in and is recognized as such

[46zilzal]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...stics-baseball

quote: The statistics and records of greats like Gibson, Paige and roughly 3,400 other players are set to join Major League Baseball’s books after MLB announced on Wednesday it is reclassifying the Negro Leagues as a major league.

MLB said it was “correcting a longtime oversight in the game’s history” by elevating the Negro Leagues on the centennial of its founding. The Negro Leagues consisted of seven leagues, and MLB will include records from those circuits between 1920-48. The Negro Leagues began to dissolve one year after Jackie Robinson became MLB’s first black player in 1947.

[PaceAdvantage]

Yes, cause I remember reading post after post about this from you throughout the years...you just cared so damn much...

[Marshall Bennett]

Bet the old negro league was a lot more honest and dedicated than the current crop of rotten cheating brats.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by Marshall Bennett

Bet the old negro league was a lot more honest and dedicated than the current crop of rotten cheating brats.

Amen!

Especially when they were on the road......the treatment they received on the road was awful

[Tom]

BRM

Black Runs Matter

[FakeNameChanged]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...stics-baseball

quote: The statistics and records of greats like Gibson, Paige and roughly 3,400 other players are set to join Major League Baseball’s books after MLB announced on Wednesday it is reclassifying the Negro Leagues as a major league.

MLB said it was “correcting a longtime oversight in the game’s history” by elevating the Negro Leagues on the centennial of its founding. The Negro Leagues consisted of seven leagues, and MLB will include records from those circuits between 1920-48. The Negro Leagues began to dissolve one year after Jackie Robinson became MLB’s first black player in 1947.

When I was around ten, my Dad took a buddy and me to an exhibition game with Satchel Paige pitching. We got a foul ball, that Satchel had pitched and was fouled off. I used that ball for a few years to play sandlot ball. It eventually was ruined in the flood from Hurricane Agnes. I still remember how smooth his delivery looked when he pitched.

[Robert Fischer]

I'm cool with it.

May be a nerd who likes the old players, and the old-time records.

Personal 'best guess' opinion of the Negro Leagues? High talent ceiling, maybe some instances higher than MLB (How hard is it to believe that they may have had a faster base stealer, or a Center Fielder w/ more range?? We certainly never had our Home Run King playing Catcher /look how valuable that made Piazza...), with less talent overall depth, and significantly less depth at pitching than MLB.

Not the first time the holy recordbook has taken a back seat to doing what's best for the game;

• dead ball
• live ball
• integration
• pitcher's mound height
• expansion
• steroid era
• today's era of 'power-analytics'

Does this change/impact any of the popular records? Is Josh Gibson now the HR champ?

[FakeNameChanged]

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer

I'm cool with it.

May be a nerd who likes the old players, and the old-time records.

Personal 'best guess' opinion of the Negro Leagues? High talent ceiling, maybe some instances higher than MLB (How hard is it to believe that they may have had a faster base stealer, or a Center Fielder w/ more range?? We certainly never had our Home Run King playing Catcher /look how valuable that made Piazza...), with less talent overall depth, and significantly less depth at pitching than MLB.

Not the first time the holy recordbook has taken a back seat to doing what's best for the game;

• dead ball
• live ball
• integration
• pitcher's mound height
• expansion
• steroid era
• today's era of 'power-analytics'

Does this change/impact any of the popular records? Is Josh Gibson now the HR champ?

Robert, What about Sadaharu Oh with 868 dingers in Japan? That is supposed to be the World Lifetime Home Run record.

[Fred Mertz]

Originally Posted by FakeNameChanged

Robert, What about Sadaharu Oh with 868 dingers in Japan? That is supposed to be the World Lifetime Home Run record.

Those little, dainty people don't qualify.

[Robert Fischer]

Originally Posted by FakeNameChanged

Robert, What about Sadaharu Oh with 868 dingers in Japan? That is supposed to be the World Lifetime Home Run record.

Great player, generated a lot of power in his technique, without being a huge overly muscled man.

I don't know a lot about the Japanese professional baseball, but there are some good players.

I'm a big believer that some historic and foreign players could hypothetically fit in today's game, even if they weren't 6'3 220lbs or throwing 95MPH.

[Marshall Bennett]

Originally Posted by FakeNameChanged

Robert, What about Sadaharu Oh with 868 dingers in Japan? That is supposed to be the World Lifetime Home Run record.

Had he faced MLB pitching, what would his numbers be? Its no different than comparing CFL numbers to the NFL.

[FakeNameChanged]

Originally Posted by Marshall Bennett

Had he faced MLB pitching, what would his numbers be? Its no different than comparing CFL numbers to the NFL.

Okay, 768.

[ultracapper]

There's absolutely no reason to think the majority of the players in the old Negro Leagues wouldn't have been able to hold their own in the MLB of that time. None. Not just the very best being able to make a MLB squad, but the very best being every bit as good as the MLB very best, and the journeymen players being every bit as good as any MLB journeymen players. It's not like the black population of America back in the 30's and 40's were making pockets full of money in the labor force. If a black man showed any kind of baseball skills, he could make as much money if not more travelling around the midwest with some of the better outfits than he could at any job he was allowed to hold in the private sector job market. Because of that, there were truly some outstanding talents on those Negro League teams.

As they were allowed into MLB in the late 40's and early 50's, just about every black man that got rostered was one of the best 2 or 3 players on that team. It wasn't just the cream of the Negro Leagues making a MLB roster. They were immediate starters and impact players.

The talent level was very likely comparable. The playing fields were much worse, and of course treatment and accommodations were abhorrent compared to MLB, but as far as skill levels are concerned, what would make anybody think the black players back then wouldn't have been as comparably representative as they are today. It's not like MLB training methods back then were creating great players. You either had it, or you didn't. The biggest drills most of those MLB players went through was 5 minutes of pregame pepper and a half dozen pitches of BP. Most of the best players skipped spring training up until the late 40's when salaries started to escalate and owners started demanding the DiMaggios and Williams' of the world get their asses down to Florida before the end of March.

[MONEY]

Originally Posted by FakeNameChanged

Okay, 768.

That's nothing, I hit more than that playing Stoop Ball.

[Dave Schwartz]

Read an article today that said Satchel Paige pitched 55 no-hitters in 22 years.

Does that not give one pause?