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08-19-2014, 08:06 PM
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Just another Facist
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ISIS beheads American Journo
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08-19-2014, 11:45 PM
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PA Steward
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And they apparently have another American journalist waiting in the wings.
Obama's exit strategy for Iraq appears to have not been a very smart move.
One can blame Bush all day long for going in, but that doesn't excuse the error of leaving in the manner the Obama administration did...just to appease a base and hold to at least one campaign promise...
Way to go...
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08-19-2014, 11:51 PM
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Followers of the Muslim religion are barbaric. I am a Catholic, I have never-ever entertained the the thought that I would murder someone for their adherence/rejection of my religion. These people are animals.
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08-20-2014, 12:45 AM
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Obama's exit strategy for Iraq appears to have not been a very smart move.
It was certainly debatable, but I agree with his strategy now. The enemy is there - and we should fight them, turn every road into a highway of death
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08-20-2014, 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
And they apparently have another American journalist waiting in the wings.
Obama's exit strategy for Iraq appears to have not been a very smart move.
One can blame Bush all day long for going in, but that doesn't excuse the error of leaving in the manner the Obama administration did...just to appease a base and hold to at least one campaign promise...
Way to go...
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So what was the smart move?
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08-20-2014, 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by NJ Stinks
So what was the smart move?
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The answer to that is WAY above my pay grade.
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08-20-2014, 06:59 AM
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kill them all and destroy everything that is muslim. Even outlaw the clothing style.
they are like a cancer. remove the adenoids to save the body of humanity.
Muslims and adenoids....we need neither.
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08-20-2014, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by HUSKER55
kill them all and destroy everything that is muslim.
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Ultimately, that may be the only answer. Unfortunately, with liberals becoming more at more at the helm of authority, they'll more than likely destroy us first.
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08-20-2014, 08:51 AM
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This particular group (ISIS) has no legitimate beef with anyone. They are just a bunch of hyper-aggressive delusional fanatics. I'm not sure we should be involved in Iraq at all anymore. I'd prefer with weren't. But now that they have beheaded an American in retaliation for us trying to put a halt to their extermination of Christians and other non believers, it's time we carpet bomb them to hell.
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08-20-2014, 09:58 AM
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Racing Form Detective
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Originally Posted by HUSKER55
kill them all and destroy everything that is muslim. Even outlaw the clothing style.
they are like a cancer. remove the adenoids to save the body of humanity.
Muslims and adenoids....we need neither.
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I really doubt genocide is the answer.
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08-20-2014, 10:08 AM
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ummmm...Robert, that is exactly what they believe....
I am using their faith on them
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08-20-2014, 10:20 AM
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ISIS is probably no more ruthless than Saddam Hussein and members of his regime. However, since the U.S. is involved there the U.S. military has to deal with them rather than Hussein.
As the saying goes... same news, different people.
The U.S. could withdraw and then Russia or France or China or some other country could get involved. But the U.S. is not about to let someone else control the oil lanes.
Then there is Turkey who has more reason to worry than the U.S. How about Iran? They don't want ISIS controlling anything. Then there's the Kurds, the Lebanese, the Syrians, Israelis, etc, all vying for power in the region or trying to protect their borders. Some of those borders were drawn up by the British and French imperialists in secret back in the early 1900s so there is plenty of room to debate or fight over where those borders are.
The U.S. strategy is to let the region find a natural balance of power. After the fall of Hussein there was a big vacuum. No one shoud be surprised that different actors would be vying to find their place in the void.
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08-20-2014, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by highnote
ISIS is probably no more ruthless than Saddam Hussein and members of his regime. However, since the U.S. is involved there the U.S. military has to deal with them rather than Hussein.
As the saying goes... same news, different people.
The U.S. could withdraw and then Russia or France or China or some other country could get involved. But the U.S. is not about to let someone else control the oil lanes.
Then there is Turkey who has more reason to worry than the U.S. How about Iran? They don't want ISIS controlling anything. Then there's the Kurds, the Lebanese, the Syrians, Israelis, etc, all vying for power in the region or trying to protect their borders. Some of those borders were drawn up by the British and French imperialists in secret back in the early 1900s so there is plenty of room to debate or fight over where those borders are.
The U.S. strategy is to let the region find a natural balance of power. After the fall of Hussein there was a big vacuum. No one shoud be surprised that different actors would be vying to find their place in the void.
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I generally agree with this, but this particular group is a bunch of sociopaths AND aggressive. That makes it a little different. It's one thing if you are trying to protect an existing border, in a dispute about a redrawn border, in a tribal dispute within redrawn borders etc... IMO that kind of stuff is really none of our business. But this group is running around expanding territory exterminating other tribes and non believers. They are crazy.
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08-20-2014, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by classhandicapper
I generally agree with this, but this particular group is a bunch of sociopaths AND aggressive. That makes it a little different. It's one thing if you are trying to protect an existing border, in a dispute about a redrawn border, in a tribal dispute within redrawn borders etc... IMO that kind of stuff is really none of our business. But this group is running around expanding territory exterminating other tribes and non believers. They are crazy.
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The Saudis, Iranians and Turks are not going let too much happen. If ISIS gets too big, the other regional powers will clamp down.
One way or another the Iraq void will be filled. The question is how long will it take to play out -- probably forever. The fighting never ends.
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08-20-2014, 11:20 AM
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Obama has a goal, but he doesn't have a strategy. His goal is a democratic, "inclusive" government. He thought that if Maliki was removed, this would magically happen.
What he fails to realize, and what Bush failed to realize, is that those people don't want a democratic, inclusive government. The Kurds want their own separate country. The Sunnis want to run the country with the Shiites largely excluded from power. The Shiites want the same thing in reverse.
Bush tried to impose democracy on Iraq. Obama is kind of trying to do the same thing, but without being pushy or offending anyone. You can't impose democracy from the top down. It has to come from the people, from the bottom up. Islam is not a faith conducive to democracy. Most Muslims in that part of the world don't want democracy. They want a government controlled by their sect. They may be ready for democracy in another generation, as the young become westernized, but not yet.
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