Done with North American racing until they fix the past posting problem

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by Tom

Is it unreasonable to think that someone who is an expert in the high tech stuff that racing uses has found a way to exploit it?

I would like to see evidence of the racing industry's due diligence on the matter. Do they have a Failure Mode Analysis they could share with their customers?

Proving your security to your customers would seem to me to be a very reasonable request. Not doing so when rumors are flying would seem to be saying "Shut up and Bet!"

"Shut up and bet...or, there is the door" has been the racing industry's battle cry for quite a while now. They must think that they have more business than they can handle.

[Dave Schwartz]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

How can it be? Haven't several of our "well-connected" posters here told us that past-posting is an IMPOSSIBILITY?

Nothing is impossible.

But it is not the whales' business model as some people here seem to think.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

"Shut up and bet...or, there is the door" has been the racing industry's battle cry for quite a while now. They must think that they have more business than they can handle.

Ding! They don’t care.......

I only have one question. If you could past post, why that horse? Why not something that paid more?

But then again, if I want to go unnoticed that’s probably the perfect horse

Pete, spend your time tonight thinking about all the other things you could do with your racing money.......it’s liberating

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz

Nothing is impossible.

But it is not the whales' business model as some people here seem to think.

It makes no difference if the whales are doing it, or if it's being done by someone else. When the odds change AFTER the horses cross the finish line...then it's a given that the customers will harbor dark suspicions about the goings-on in the game. It shouldn't take a minute and a half to process these "late wagers", in today's electronic age.

[TiffaniO]

Originally Posted by Pensacola Pete

I just watched the 5th at Woodbine. The winner:

At off: 9/5
On far turn when battling another horse for the lead: 3/2
10 seconds after the race ended, with the horse winning easily: 6/5

Except that it wasn't CRW or simulcast money. The last flash had exactly $1,500 going in on #7 and no other money bet on any other horse.

I've sent the screen captures to UnitedTote, to Woodbine, to the Ontario Jockey Club, and to the Toronto Globe.

Any takers that nothing happens?

Eff this. I'm tired of money coming in after the race has been decided, and now I have the proof.

Well you might want to go back and watch the replay.

As my pics prove he was 3/2 as he went in the gate.

He was 6/5 a few strides out of the gate. Definitely less than 5 seconds into the race, no where near the far turn as claimed.

This is why no one takes complaints seriously. Back it up with facts.

[PaceAdvantage]

And some people wonder why I doubt most if not all of these claims.

Then again, I guess Tiffani could be a PhotoShop master...

[TiffaniO]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

And some people wonder why I doubt most if not all of these claims.

Then again, I guess Tiffani could be a PhotoShop master...

No Pace... I’m just a Witch... hehe

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

And some people wonder why I doubt most if not all of these claims.

Then again, I guess Tiffani could be a PhotoShop master...

Yep, but the results are basically the same. He ended up with 5.80

Was that an appropriate expectation? How do you handicap something you can’t see........like whether the horse is going to go up or down in the odds....after the bell

[TiffaniO]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

Yep, but the results are basically the same. He ended up with 5.80

Was that an appropriate expectation? How do you handicap something you can’t see........like whether the horse is going to go up or down in the odds....after the bell

The horse looked 2/5 and should’ve paid $2.80 if you are objective at all...

[Mulerider]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

And some people wonder why I doubt most if not all of these claims.

Then again, I guess Tiffani could be a PhotoShop master...

I just watched it on RTN. The winner was 3/2 loading. When the odds first appeared on the screen about 8 strides out of the gate (replacing a section at the bottom that described the race conditions) he was at 6/5, and that never changed throughout the race.

[Hambletonian]

I am not saying what the OP is claiming is impossible.

However, I think one of the issues is that most of the folks here cut their teeth at a time when the odds at a minute to so to post for any major circuit was pretty much what the horses paid.

Unless you were at a harness track, of course, where it seemed that half the pool or more came in very late.

Today, every major circuit is like Monticello Raceway was in my youth. it was impossible to value handicap there back then because you could only guess at what the final odds would be. A hundred dollar win bet could take a horse from 4-1 to 9-5. It was part of handicapping...guessing the off prices.

On the other hand, it is pretty clear that giving the bettors a fair and honest shot is not one of the industry's top priorities in this day and age.

[Track Phantom]

You know why it is NOT past posting? Because if someone could bet 5-10 seconds after the gate opened, wouldn't they be betting quarterhorses? I would be.

[Fox]

Originally Posted by Pensacola Pete

I just watched the 5th at Woodbine. The winner:

At off: 9/5
On far turn when battling another horse for the lead: 3/2
10 seconds after the race ended, with the horse winning easily: 6/5

Except that it wasn't CRW or simulcast money. The last flash had exactly $1,500 going in on #7 and no other money bet on any other horse.

I've sent the screen captures to UnitedTote, to Woodbine, to the Ontario Jockey Club, and to the Toronto Globe.

Any takers that nothing happens?

Eff this. I'm tired of money coming in after the race has been decided, and now I have the proof.

Why in God’s name would you not post the screen shots here if you actually had them? Makes no sense other than you’re likely full of shit.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by TiffaniO

No Pace... I’m just a Witch... hehe

YouTube

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Fox

Why in God’s name would you not post the screen shots here if you actually had them? Makes no sense other than you’re likely full of shit.

No need to get hostile about it. You need to learn the art of subtlety.