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11-05-2021, 09:19 PM
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clean money
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somebody screwed up
whether the vet was premature, or the relay to official scratch was premature,
or whether it was in fact their official protocol and they let the horse run for purse anyway because of the stage and the owner.
either way, they scratched a sound horse who was a strong favorite and centerpiece of major race day multi race sequence
weird things occur, and we're human.
still fu**ing stinks!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gamblin4ever
On racing's biggest stage you make sure about gate scratches before you announce to the public.
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11-05-2021, 09:20 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
They showed video-clearly they opened the gate, he did not break through.
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Did they show what he did after he came out? He was bucking and stumbling.
Did they replay the flip so you could see if the hit him?
This looked gruesome. As soon as I saw him come out I figured they would scratch him.
Look, if you had him in a horizontal wager, this is Scott Van Pelt territory. I get that. But it looks to me like two correct decisions (by the stewards and then by the connections).
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11-05-2021, 09:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gamblin4ever
They should never had scratched him. Don't defend the stewards for this incompetence.
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ROFL
great observation with the benefit of your hindsight.
Why does it need to be repeated that nobody could know for certain that the #1 horse wasn't injured in the festivities.
The standard line is "to protect the public". (...from the chance they were betting on an injured animal)
Had it been a $5000 claimer at Waterford Park, they would have scratched the #1 totally out of the race, and he'd find another $5000 claimer at Waterford Park next week.
This modification was surely unique for the Breeders' Cup.
Had #1 fallen to the ground as did the #2, the #1 would have been removed from the race in automatic fashion.
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11-05-2021, 09:22 PM
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I'm just here to vent... if I don't laugh in moments like these I would go berserk. Can they do me that dirty? Man, what a ride.... never thought it would end like this.
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11-05-2021, 09:23 PM
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clean money
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Location: Maryland
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dilanesp
But it looks to me like two correct decisions (by the stewards and then by the connections).
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to scratch an unfit horse, or to run a fit horse?
choose one
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Originally Posted by AskinHaskin
Why does it need to be repeated that nobody could know for certain that the #1 horse wasn't injured in the festivities.
The standard line is "to protect the public". (...from the chance they were betting on an injured animal).
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then get him to vet care
you logically justify 'protecting the public from betting injured animal' by letting that guess of soundness run amongst the other horses and the betting??
what in f**ks name?
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11-05-2021, 09:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AskinHaskin
ROFL
great observation with the benefit of your hindsight.
Why does it need to be repeated that nobody could know for certain that the #1 horse wasn't injured in the festivities.
The standard line is "to protect the public". (...from the chance they were betting on an injured animal)
Had it been a $5000 claimer at Waterford Park, they would have scratched the #1 totally out of the race, and he'd find another $5000 claimer at Waterford Park next week.
This modification was surely unique for the Breeders' Cup.
Had #1 fallen to the ground as did the #2, the #1 would have been removed from the race in automatic fashion.
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Right. And if you think THIS was a black eye for the sport, imagine the hell we would have caught if the horse had broken down after being allowed back in.
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11-05-2021, 09:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Fischer
to scratch an unfit horse, or to run a fit horse?
choose one
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The Stewards are making a different calculation than the owners
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11-05-2021, 09:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Fischer
somebody screwed up
whether the vet was premature, or the relay to official scratch was premature,
or whether it was in fact their official protocol and they let the horse run for purse anyway because of the stage and the owner.
either way, they scratched a sound horse who was a strong favorite and centerpiece of major race day multi race sequence
weird things occur, and we're human.
still fu**ing stinks!!
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... except your stance is obviously that of someone viewing only in hindsight.
The only thing that mattered was the view looking forward toward the contest soon to commence once the #2 went down and was scratched.
(* and I use the term "soon" somewhat loosely)
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11-05-2021, 09:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dilanesp
Right. And if you think THIS was a black eye for the sport, imagine the hell we would have caught if the horse had broken down after being allowed back in.
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gawd, yes... (me, in empty room, speaking out:
"riiiiiiiiiiiiIGHT !" (zero sarcasm in the tone, FYI) )
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11-05-2021, 09:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Fischer
to scratch an unfit horse, or to run a fit horse?
choose one
then get him to vet care
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They DID !!!!
a Vet, as everyone knows, was right there on scene.
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11-05-2021, 09:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dilanesp
Right. And if you think THIS was a black eye for the sport, imagine the hell we would have caught if the horse had broken down after being allowed back in.
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This is such a typical nonsense post.
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11-05-2021, 09:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Fischer
somebody screwed up
whether the vet was premature, or the relay to official scratch was premature,
or whether it was in fact their official protocol and they let the horse run for purse anyway because of the stage and the owner.
either way, they scratched a sound horse who was a strong favorite and centerpiece of major race day multi race sequence
weird things occur, and we're human.
still fu**ing stinks!!
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The fix was in
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11-05-2021, 09:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AskinHaskin
ROFL
great observation with the benefit of your hindsight.
Why does it need to be repeated that nobody could know for certain that the #1 horse wasn't injured in the festivities.
The standard line is "to protect the public". (...from the chance they were betting on an injured animal)
Had it been a $5000 claimer at Waterford Park, they would have scratched the #1 totally out of the race, and he'd find another $5000 claimer at Waterford Park next week.
This modification was surely unique for the Breeders' Cup.
Had #1 fallen to the ground as did the #2, the #1 would have been removed from the race in automatic fashion.
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Gate scratch means horse doesn't run. Hindsight 20/20
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11-05-2021, 09:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by depalma113
This is such a typical nonsense post.
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Which you didn't happen to refute
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11-05-2021, 09:38 PM
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Stewards thought he broke through the gate and so scratched him and he was removed from the pool in some jurisdictions. They then realised he was actually released from the gate by an assistant starter and so was allowed to run. Californian rules state that once a horse has been removed from the pool due to an error the horse shall start but race for purse money only.
The worst mess-up I've seen so far in US horse racing. And I've seen some good ones!
Last edited by jameegray1; 11-05-2021 at 09:40 PM.
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