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Old 03-05-2018, 04:47 PM   #61
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I used to love turf racing, but the road it has gone down, sprints, cheap races, mule-like paces - I hate them. Especially this new direction of 2 mile races and other marathons. They are not really races anymore - just jogging and then a 1 furlong sprint. And timers ar supposed to function that long?
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I would like to see them try.

I am not anti-dirt. If Del Mar's dirt stays safe, that would be great for the sport.

But I am anti-dirt that hurts horses. And- I am sorry, I know this is a handicapping board- the horses' lives are more important than whether people like handicapping the surface. In most places where synthetics have been torn out, deaths are back up. This thing will kill the sport long term as animal rights picks up steam.

So if you don't like synthetics, figure out how to make an equally safe dirt track.
The horses wouldn't exist in the first place if it weren't for racing.

So let's kill the sport even more by forcing synthetics down the throat of a betting public which has expressed disdain for it...

What is the difference between surfaces again? A little over one death per 1,000 starts.

I can think of WAY BETTER ways to save MORE THAN ONE HORSE per 1,000 starts then installing new racing surfaces.

Better pre-race vet inspections. Tighter restrictions on meds. Tighter restrictions on trainers. A central racing authority that can impose a uniform set of rules.

Surface is the least of our worries when it comes to horse deaths and injuries...hell, Turf has a higher breakdown rate than synthetics. Let's get rid of turf racing as well.
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The horses wouldn't exist in the first place if it weren't for racing.

So let's kill the sport even more by forcing synthetics down the throat of a betting public which has expressed disdain for it...

What is the difference between surfaces again? A little over one death per 1,000 starts.

I can think of WAY BETTER ways to save MORE THAN ONE HORSE per 1,000 starts then installing new racing surfaces.

Better pre-race vet inspections. Tighter restrictions on meds. Tighter restrictions on trainers. A central racing authority that can impose a uniform set of rules.

Surface is the least of our worries when it comes to horse deaths and injuries...hell, Turf has a higher breakdown rate than synthetics. Let's get rid of turf racing as well.
Well said.
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Not to mention all the horse deaths resulting from sending them to slaughter. HOW MANY HORSE DEATHS per 1,000 STARTS COULD WE SAVE by preventing THAT?

How much does it cost to install a new racing surface? How many horses could be saved from slaughter with that money? Wonder how that number would compare with the theoretical number of horses that would be saved by the track surface (although a number of those "saved" might end up at the slaughterhouse anyway one day, so it's kind of a moot point).
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Spot on, PA! *bow, bow*
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Not to mention all the horse deaths resulting from sending them to slaughter. HOW MANY HORSE DEATHS per 1,000 STARTS COULD WE SAVE by preventing THAT?

How much does it cost to install a new racing surface? How many horses could be saved from slaughter with that money? Wonder how that number would compare with the theoretical number of horses that would be saved by the track surface (although a number of those "saved" might end up at the slaughterhouse anyway one day, so it's kind of a moot point).
Most of the tracks we race at now take out $10-$25 from our purse monies for horse after care programs. I am sure there are many that will say not all that money goes to the betterment of retired race horses but I hope each and every track that takes this money out does indeed use it for that cause. From time to time I will get a call asking me for a few hundred dollars to save a horse from the kill pen, most of these calls are scams. I was able to locate one of our horses, Maddys Lion and paid $300 to have him sent to a farm in Pa. I haven't checked in on him for over 5 years but I hope he is still having a great after racing life on the farm.
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The horses wouldn't exist in the first place if it weren't for racing.

So let's kill the sport even more by forcing synthetics down the throat of a betting public which has expressed disdain for it...

What is the difference between surfaces again? A little over one death per 1,000 starts.

I can think of WAY BETTER ways to save MORE THAN ONE HORSE per 1,000 starts then installing new racing surfaces.

Better pre-race vet inspections. Tighter restrictions on meds. Tighter restrictions on trainers. A central racing authority that can impose a uniform set of rules.

Surface is the least of our worries when it comes to horse deaths and injuries...hell, Turf has a higher breakdown rate than synthetics. Let's get rid of turf racing as well.
yup, well said
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The horses wouldn't exist in the first place if it weren't for racing.

So let's kill the sport even more by forcing synthetics down the throat of a betting public which has expressed disdain for it...

What is the difference between surfaces again? A little over one death per 1,000 starts.

I can think of WAY BETTER ways to save MORE THAN ONE HORSE per 1,000 starts then installing new racing surfaces.

Better pre-race vet inspections. Tighter restrictions on meds. Tighter restrictions on trainers. A central racing authority that can impose a uniform set of rules.

Surface is the least of our worries when it comes to horse deaths and injuries...hell, Turf has a higher breakdown rate than synthetics. Let's get rid of turf racing as well.

PA, to anyone who isn't handicapper, this reads as "I demand they kill a couple more horses because I can't handicap synthetics".

I am sorry, but that just doesn't sell in the real world.
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PA, to anyone who isn't handicapper, this reads as "I demand they kill a couple more horses because I can't handicap synthetics".

I am sorry, but that just doesn't sell in the real world.
BS. It means the racing industry isn't addressing the REAL PROBLEM...

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