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Old 01-15-2018, 06:50 PM   #16
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is good anybody recommend any other of his books
The novel "Scared Money" incorporates some of the same stories mentioned in the article with other Cramer handicapping while telling a decent story. It's somewhat dated but still worth a read.
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Old 01-16-2018, 11:33 AM   #17
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Although Cramer has "rules" to everything, I think he needs it that way to test
I agree. I'm not sure how else you can test effectively.

I try to put together rules that mimic my thinking the best I can and test that. The hope of course is that adding in some subjective analysis later will improve the results. But to be honest I'm not sure it always does unless you test every single insight you think you have. My rules spit out a horse over the weekend as a prime play. I didn't play it because there was a lot of speed in the race and this horse looked like he wanted the lead. He won and I didn't collect the $12.40 So who knows for sure if my analysis in this case added value or not.
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Old 01-16-2018, 05:16 PM   #18
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Thanks for starting this thread.

Enjoyed reading the article.

Just borrowed a copy of "Value Handicapping" to read.
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Old 01-16-2018, 06:21 PM   #19
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Mark Cramer was a very influential handicapper for me. Thoroughbred Cycles changed the way I look at a horse's form for good.
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Mark Cramer was a very influential handicapper for me. Thoroughbred Cycles changed the way I look at a horse's form for good.
I always thought Thoroughbred Cycles was the best book on handicapping ever written.
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Old 01-17-2018, 09:51 AM   #21
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I always thought Thoroughbred Cycles was the best book on handicapping ever written.
I have all his books and in general thought they were well down with many interesting ideas.

I used to be a bigger proponet of form cycles, also having read stuff from handicappers like Cary Fotias (sp).

Then I started using pace figures and realized what was hard to explain and often attributed to going off form or "bouncing" was in fact easily explained with the pace context.

A recent example was Majestic Heat last weekend, who ran a very weak 4th I believe and never made a closing move but the pace was so abhorrently slow that only horses of great magnitude would have won the race with that setup.
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Kinky Handicapping II is a grat one - lots of really good angles in that one.

Is there a Kinky Handicapping II or is that a typo.? I have the original.
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Old 01-19-2018, 07:10 AM   #23
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Is there a Kinky Handicapping II or is that a typo.? I have the original.
Think it was Kinkier Handicapping and quite hard to obtain last time i looked.
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Old 01-19-2018, 07:16 AM   #24
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I love the Guy - Im in UK and Nick Mordin's Betting For A Living turned a lot of us onto US Handicapping texts - concepts at the time were totally alien to most but through time we adapted. Cramer's been a big influence on how i look at the game and most of my angles are approached via "Spirit Of Cramer"
Still some good stuff on here -
http://markcramercx.blogspot.co.uk/2...4_archive.html

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Old 01-19-2018, 12:50 PM   #25
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Didnt realize I had so many of his books, just looked at the shelf

Thoroughbred Cycles
The Odds Must be Crazy
Scared Money
Value Handicapping
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Didnt realize I had so many of his books, just looked at the shelf

Thoroughbred Cycles
The Odds Must be Crazy
Scared Money
Value Handicapping
The Odds Must Be Crazy is a Len Ragozin book.
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The Odds Must Be Crazy is a Len Ragozin book.
thanks, ur right
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The book title is ODDS ON YOUR SIDE. I really enjoyed reading this book.
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The book title is ODDS ON YOUR SIDE. I really enjoyed reading this book.
yea, let me see if I can find it.

I am now re-reading his Thoro Cycles book. I want to see how outdated some of the concepts are with the "Sheets" style training that takes place.

I can tell you he does write with style, the preface in that book should be read once a year as a handicapping reminder.
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Kinkier Handicapping

There is a follow up to "Kinky Handicapping" and I was one of the handicappers featured in the book. I agree with this thread in that Thoroughbred Cycles was his best work. One of the most influential books to how I see the game. The C&O report was a periodical from that period that had great writing from Mark, Joe Colville and others. Joe's essays were the best writings about horse racing I've ever seen. Mark Cramer once said if there was an Eclipse Award for writing about handicapping, Joe should win every year. Cheers.
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