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Old 01-03-2018, 03:10 PM   #76
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Who are they selling their signal to dirt cheap? And how is it supposedly phony?

And have you called and discussed the problems? What is their explanation?
I already answered the first one. You expect me to print a list of names? LOL. That is all you are getting from me. I've never been one to make stuff up. Believe it or don't, doesn't matter to me.

It is phony because they are making a lot less on their "handle" than other tracks. Plenty others would be up if they had a bargain basement sale on bets.

Yes, I've had discussions with Tim Ritvo and PJ Campo in the past. They proved fruitless. The explanation from Gulfstream is they really don't understand and they really don't care. I can only beat my head against the wall so long.

They don't really care for me much because I've caught them on mistiming the Pegasus and also placing the gate in the wrong place for the Ladies' Turf Sprint won by Lady Shipman a few years ago. I even gave them the courtesy of telling them first only to be blown off and told I was wrong both times initially---I wasn't.
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If only racing society had known in 1955 that to call the distance of the San Juan Capistrano "about" 1 3/4 Miles equated to "another middle finger to bettors".

One wonders why nobody has caught on to same until last week on Pace Advantage.




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Since speed figures have become available the payouts have dropped, and lower payouts is why they lost attendance and are unable to attract new customers. If they allow accurate information to be widely available their sport will continue to decline.

That's a classic interpretation of the reality right beneath your collective eyes.


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I already answered the first one. You expect me to print a list of names? LOL. That is all you are getting from me. I've never been one to make stuff up. Believe it or don't, doesn't matter to me.
Yes, I do. Why not? It's well known that rebate shops are sold the signal at a far lower cost. That doesn't make the handle coming from them "phony."

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It is phony because they are making a lot less on their "handle" than other tracks. Plenty others would be up if they had a bargain basement sale on bets.
So what? All the tracks have special rates for rebate shops, other tracks, non-profits, etc, so I guess they all have phony handle.

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Yes, I've had discussions with Tim Ritvo and PJ Campo in the past. They proved fruitless. The explanation from Gulfstream is they really don't understand and they really don't care. I can only beat my head against the wall so long.
Well, that's enlightening. Why not just report their reasons instead your opinion of their reasons?
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Yes, I do. Why not? It's well known that rebate shops are sold the signal at a far lower cost. That doesn't make the handle coming from them "phony."



So what? All the tracks have special rates for rebate shops, other tracks, non-profits, etc, so I guess they all have phony handle.



Well, that's enlightening. Why not just report their reasons instead your opinion of their reasons?
Sorry, I'm just not inclined to share a lot of info with some anonymous person on the internet. Crazy I know but that's just me. I gave the answers I wanted to give.

Obviously you missed my point about the pricing. It isn't just a special rate. It is a bargain basement rate. There is a difference. I didn't realize I had to spell it out for you.

Moving on.

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If only racing society had known in 1955 that to call the distance of the San Juan Capistrano "about" 1 3/4 Miles equated to "another middle finger to bettors".

One wonders why nobody has caught on to same until last week on Pace Advantage.







That's a classic interpretation of the reality right beneath your collective eyes.

About distances and inaccurate timing have been issues for speed handicappers for as long as I can remember. The failure of tracks to correct the problems is a mystery. I put forward a theory as to why, and if you can enlighten every one as to the answere, I would love to here it. Or if you want, explain it to me over a game of poker. I can tell you before hand that the deck will have "about" 52 cards in it. And that, my friend, is slightly more that the deck you are dealing with.

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Old 01-03-2018, 04:41 PM   #83
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If only racing society had known in 1955 that to call the distance of the San Juan Capistrano "about" 1 3/4 Miles equated to "another middle finger to bettors".

One wonders why nobody has caught on to same until last week on Pace Advantage.







That's a classic interpretation of the reality right beneath your collective eyes.





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You really should try to keep up. Some tracks run about distances out of necessity. That isn't what is happening at Gulfstream, and in fact it isn't even true. The times given for the races are for exactly 7.5f races. They are misrepresenting the distance of the races and they are misrepresenting the run up. Neither of these things should be mysterious, be it 1955 or 2018.
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If only racing society had known in 1955 that to call the distance of the San Juan Capistrano "about" 1 3/4 Miles equated to "another middle finger to bettors".
Bad analogy. The San Juan is a once a year race on a unique course. It really, honestly doesn't matter if cj gets an accurate figure for it.

Quite a bit different than mucking around with a common distance.
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Yep, what can you do? I'll keep talking about it. I'd argue they'd be up even more if they did things right. I also think a lot of that being "up" is phony...they are selling their signal dirt cheap to some big, big bettors.
Just what I expected. Their pools never made sense to me, I often thought how could they generate pools of $800-$900k when they ran their crappy $20-30k claimer races and Belmont could only get about $500k when they ran graded stake races?

They let their big bettors feed on little guys and that's what RITVO said.
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Forget about Gulfstream - the fastest horse in the world just ran a :19 opening quarter at Tampa!
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Sorry, I'm just not inclined to share a lot of info with some anonymous person on the internet. Crazy I know but that's just me. I gave the answers I wanted to give.

Obviously you missed my point about the pricing. It isn't just a special rate. It is a bargain basement rate. There is a difference. I didn't realize I had to spell it out for you.

Moving on.
I call BS on you. The rates for the rebate shops are already bargain basement, and every track has those, but here you are, making up nonsense again, this time about "fake handle."

The handle is the handle, and if they want to give their signal away for free every day, all day, to everyone, it's still the handle. And frankly, none of your business as far as it making sense to their business.
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I call BS on you. The rates for the rebate shops are already bargain basement, and every track has those, but here you are, making up nonsense again, this time about "fake handle."

The handle is the handle, and if they want to give their signal away for free every day, all day, to everyone, it's still the handle. And frankly, none of your business as far as it making sense to their business.
Whatever dude. You're wrong. And none of my business? I've never made up anything. I have no history of that and you pretending I do is bullshit.

Keep on being anonymous Gulfstream employee. Say hi to PJ for me. Tell him to shoot for the moon and make the Pegasus a billion dollar race next year. If you're going to lie, make it a big one!

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Whatever dude. You're wrong. And none of my business?

Keep on being anonymous Gulfstream employee. Say hi to PJ for me. Tell him to shoot for the moon and make the Pegasus a billion dollar race next year. If you're going to lie, make it a big one!
What's the rate, CJ? Let's see how much lower it is than CA and the rebate shops.
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