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Old 01-01-2018, 07:00 PM   #61
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Get off my ass and go to Gulfstream instead of expecting accurate data in the past performances I buy? I live in San Diego for one...........
Can you pick me up on your way?
I live in NY.
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Old 01-02-2018, 12:08 PM   #62
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It could certainly be argued that Speed Figures have ruined the game for numerous horseplayers.
It's awfully hard to find value any more.

Trip handicapping is also of little benefit, as everyone has access to replays and very little is missed.
Now, one of the few things left - pace figures - are also losing value.

What's left for the hobbyist to do?
Good point. On the other hand, since there's very little value to be had anymore (from honestly analyzing the past performances) why not just play the tote and let everyone else do the handicapping for you? In the past few months I started doing this and have found myself doing better than digging all night to find that 12-1 who ends up going off at 7/2.

Of course there are the last-second bets that tend to screw everything up.
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Old 01-02-2018, 03:15 PM   #63
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Old 01-02-2018, 03:31 PM   #64
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Apparently, since speed figs , pace, trip notes have ruined the game, everyone complaining was winning before this happened.

Congrats.
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Apparently, since speed figs , pace, trip notes have ruined the game, everyone complaining was winning before this happened.

Congrats.
Really!

Just like nobody got killed in the stock market in the days before securities laws required prospectuses and annual reports.
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Old 01-02-2018, 05:26 PM   #66
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Really!

Just like nobody got killed in the stock market in the days before securities laws required prospectuses and annual reports.
I love it whenever the stock market crashes. I tell all my friends that I lost my money "in the market"...and I get real SYMPATHY! When they see me losing at gambling, not only do I get no "sympathy"...but they point an accusing finger at me, while warning their kids not to "turn out like me".

I guess it isn't whether you lose or not that's important. It's whether or not you lose in a "respectable manner".
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Old 01-02-2018, 06:49 PM   #67
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Alton,
I was killing the game once with my own figures. Those days are long gone.

Now i need to use patience - and figures alone aren't enough anymore.
Yet, you never quite know when an opportunity will present itself.

For example:
Yesterday, last night, there was a P5 carryover at Pompano Park that I handicapped. In a race there was a solid Single at 2-1 ML. Figured he'd be even-money.
When the race came up, couldn't believe the horse was totally overlooked at 5-1 and I made a nice win bet.
I didn't hit the P5 (missed another race) but collected a $12.20 mutuel and a $27.20 exacta.
These things just don't come up that often.
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It could certainly be argued that Speed Figures have ruined the game for numerous horseplayers.
It's awfully hard to find value any more.

Trip handicapping is also of little benefit, as everyone has access to replays and very little is missed.
Now, one of the few things left - pace figures - are also losing value.

What's left for the hobbyist to do?
Physicality may be the last bastion.

I'm also not convinced there's no benefit to trip handicapping, as it is so subjective.
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It could certainly be argued that Speed Figures have ruined the game for numerous horseplayers.
It's awfully hard to find value any more.

Trip handicapping is also of little benefit, as everyone has access to replays and very little is missed.
Now, one of the few things left - pace figures - are also losing value.

What's left for the hobbyist to do?
Bowling is a lot of fun.
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Bowling is a lot of fun.

They've made it too easy. Quit a decade ago and never looked back.
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They've made it too easy. Quit a decade ago and never looked back.
I agree...that's why I only use an old, cheap bowling ball with a polyester coverstock. I want the 200-game to MEAN something.
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Seems timing doesnt seem to be a big deal as GP had the biggest gains year over last of any track in the country.

the things that seem to matter to us just do not resonate with the player the tracks target.
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Seems timing doesnt seem to be a big deal as GP had the biggest gains year over last of any track in the country.

the things that seem to matter to us just do not resonate with the player the tracks target.
Yep, what can you do? I'll keep talking about it. I'd argue they'd be up even more if they did things right. I also think a lot of that being "up" is phony...they are selling their signal dirt cheap to some big, big bettors.
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Yep, what can you do? I'll keep talking about it. I'd argue they'd be up even more if they did things right. I also think a lot of that being "up" is phony...they are selling their signal dirt cheap to some big, big bettors.
ok, thanks for that tid bit. makes a lot more sense.
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Yep, what can you do? I'll keep talking about it. I'd argue they'd be up even more if they did things right. I also think a lot of that being "up" is phony...they are selling their signal dirt cheap to some big, big bettors.
Who are they selling their signal to dirt cheap? And how is it supposedly phony?

And have you called and discussed the problems? What is their explanation?
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