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Old 03-27-2019, 01:32 AM   #277
Spalding No!
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Originally Posted by chadk66 View Post
but all we've heard is how breeding is so screwed up that they breed nothing but cripples and bleeders. So to steal one from the hoss nothing is the same thirty years later.
What's your point? Let's pretend that breeding thing is true, what are you suggesting? That there's more bleeders now than ever before? What are the options in that situation?

1) Forge ahead until we get to a point where even lasix won't mitigate the severity of bleeding anymore and we see your Chicken Little 2 or 3 blood drenched horses (in a 5-horse field) being paraded in front of the grandstand

or

2) Scale back the use of lasix thereby reversing breeding trends, promoting better training/management of "true" bleeders, and encouraging research in alternative therapies that don't require raceday medication.

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So apparently your comparison to 95' won't hold water.
Well, it probably holds more water than a racehorse that gets a dose of lasix about once a week.

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And in reality your comparison makes no sense anyway. Your comparing 4 instances of external bleeding of horses that weren't using lasix (these were non bleeders to begin with or they wouldn't have been racing in NY at the time) vs horses that were using lasix(they were more than likely bleeders before that).
I think you're confused here. Horses bleed out the nose even through lasix (see the Fair Grounds Oaks last weekend). Unless you're willing to pour over the Belmont and Aqueduct charts from late 1995, you have no idea if those 4 cases were treated with lasix or not. But we do know they were bleeders...because they bled!

And we don't know if the horses that didn't bleed externally were true bleeders at all because once they allowed lasix immediately the majority of runners began receiving lasix.

Or are we to believe in your topsy-turvy world that a massive influx of out-of-state bleeders invaded NYRA tracks in September 1995 and began pummeling the non-bleeding locals to the point that the non-bleeders became bleeders (in the worst degree no less)?

Do you write Zombie Apocalypse thrillers in your spare time?

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And with that sample size all I'll do is laugh.
Huh? The sample size is every start in every race conducted by NYRA in 1995. That's something like 3,000-odd races and about 25,000 starts. Why would you laugh?

Maybe it's a nervous laughter cuz those big numbers have too many zeros. Well...

..they say that Minnesota is the "Land of 10,000 Lakes", so if it makes it easier for you that's about 2 and 1/2 Minnesotas worth of starters.
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