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Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire

Angels were not meant to procreate. They are a fixed number.

Is this conjecture, or is there some reported statement that such was the case? What is the origin of the "angels"? Were they also "created" or were they pre-existing?


Angels, watchers, who came to earth violated their nature. (Luke 20:35-36) Knowingly they were committing a grave act, that bound themselves with imprecations upon it. (1 Enoch 6:3-6)

Why would they do such a thing? It seems more likely that they were acting consistently with their natures (or "true natures") rather than in some more (expected/desired) constrained manner.

Mankind is to take the place of the fallen angels in the celestial realm.

Why? Would it not be possible to simply create more angels (if they were created)? That implies both a lack of angels and a need for mankind. That is, a different type of relationship than most seem to believe exists. More quid pro quo than beaming benevolence.

The children of this age marry and are given in marriage; but those who are deemed worthy to attain to the coming age and to the resurrection of the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage. They can no longer die, for they are like angels; and they are the children of God because they are the ones who will rise
Luke 20:34-36

Given the vernacular of the time, one could easily interpret this to mean virgins, not converts. That, too, implies a different type of relationship.



29. Thus it pleased God, Creator and Governor of the universe, that since the whole multitude of the angels had not perished in this desertion of him, those who had perished would remain forever in perdition, but those who had remained loyal through the revolt should go on rejoicing in the certain knowledge of the bliss forever theirs. From the other part of the rational creation—that is, mankind—although it had perished as a whole through sins and punishments, both original and personal, God had determined that a portion of it would be restored and would fill up the loss which that diabolical disaster had caused in the angelic society. For this is the promise to the saints at the resurrection, that they shall be equal to the angels of God.
St. Augustine's 'Enchiridion', Chapter 9 [emphasis added]

"angelic society" ???? There was a society of angels? And why did they revolt? Why did they desert?