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Originally Posted by thaskalos
Is the famous limon a better NL holdem player than the late Bobby Hoff? Because I heard it straight from Hoff's own mouth that deep-stacked NL holdem is essentially a POST-flop game. And I have read where numerous great players have echoed the same sentiment. And I -- admittedly NOT a "great player" -- agree wholeheartedly.
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This gets back to psychology.
Discipline is boring. That's what limon is saying when he rattles off a bunch of great players and calls them boring.
It's no fun to fold a lot. It's especially no fun to fold a lot against players who aren't as good as you are.
So the human brain is going to come up with reasons not to fold. This is called "motivated reasoning". It's no different than how even decent horseplayers who are behind on a card will suddenly come up with some amazing betting angle on the last race on the card when they were going to pass it.
There is a grain of truth to the idea that good players can make some loose pre-flop plays and get away with them because they have a big post flop advantage, especially in deep stacked no limit.
But it's also true that this is what the brain of every poker player wants to tell itself because it's frustrating to have to fold against bad players.
What limon is saying is that the winning players have tremendous pre-flop discipline (and are boring) and that because they do, they play better post-flop as well by avoiding getting into bad situations. They make more money in the long run by passing up temptations.
And that is true, even in deep stack no limit.
