ok r5 - I can tell you my first
TOSS
IMPRIMIS
killed me when I went all-iin, multiple tix and he was DQ'dd in New York, then he came back and won again (iirc Kentucky?)... anyway he was never some star horse to me, he just fit that day in NY, and now he's not only a low-ish price, he's bad voodoo
...
So I'll look elsewhere.