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Old 12-06-2018, 03:20 PM   #14
JohnGalt1
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Originally Posted by rispa View Post
For certain tracks, I make my own pace/speed figures for turf and dirt. When the pace of a turf race is say nearly two lengths slower than par, do you make any adjustments to the final time? Or, do do you leave it as is?



Thanks.
I always make my own Hambleton pace figures.


I find the opposite than you stated.


Example--


From Santa Anita Turf race 1:11.0 1:35.0

From Churchill 1:13.0 1:36.0

Pace figs SA 90 95 185 TPR
Pace figs CD 80 100 180 TPR

The faster SA course usually has faster earlier fractions either because the grass is shorter than midwestern turf courses and/or the jockeys ride faster early.


I like favor fast closing fractions on grass, yet a fast closing fraction can be deceptive by the faster early fraction.


If the two races above had the horses 5 lengths behind at the second fraction, both did close just as well but the CD horse would have a much faster time and would look like a better closer with it's figures.


And if the SA horse ran at CD, and the CD horse ran at SA the pace numbers probably would be reversed.
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