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Old 05-22-2018, 09:56 PM   #45
AndyC
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Originally Posted by Poindexter View Post
Of course pools would be larger. Everyone (except whales) would be getting back more money on every bet they collect. Their roi's will be better, their money lasts longer, they see more value opportunities on the board, they enjoy the game more, they stay in the game, they enter the game, they come back to the game....Whales just react to what we do. The more we bet the more they bet so ultimately they will bet more money too. No assumptions, pure logic.
Pure fantasy. There would need to be a whole lot of new money bet to make it work. New money is not the churn the track gets from having lower rates. Players would literally have to dig into their pockets and bet more money than usual or a there would have to be a huge throng of new players just waiting to throw their money down. Neither of those scenarios is likely. Losing less money doesn't make most people want to increase their bets size.


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Regarding the volatility, yes most sharps/whale are going to bet late, but the fact they don't make money by hammering a horse they make 2-1 down to 9/5 or even 8/5(depending on what kind of rebate they are getting) limits how much they will pound the horse.
So if I am to believe what you wrote in your first paragraph, the whales and sharps will be betting more, not less and betting at the last minute. More bet, less volatility?

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RE adw's two of the biggest are owned by racing companies. I don't have the numbers so I can't give you a solution that works, but I am sure if there was a will it would take all of five minutes to come up with one. Also do you think it makes sense that some ADW is making so much money that the can give up to 20% rebates on some bets at some tracks and still remain profitable. Talk about idiotic. Why have ADW's and certain players become partners at the expense of all other players? How does that make the game sustainable long run? Adw's provide a function and should be compensated for that function only. On marketing gimmicks deals can be discussed.
Problems with the contractual arrangements with ADW's has been a constant since the start. I don't think there is a magic wand that takes it all away in 5 minutes.
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