Originally Posted by classhandicapper
First, if your adversary tells you it's not going to put NATO troops and missiles in former Soviet countries, but they keep moving in that direction, you feel your national security is threatened, so you warn them repeatedly about it for years, your promise to not invade Ukraine if nukes are removed becomes problematical.
That's what happened.
If don't care if you think Russia is an evil empire, they clearly have legitimate national security concerns.
What we did was essentially put a rabid dog in the corner, tease it, and now we are getting upset because it bit.
Also, I didn't say it's all NATO and US's fault.
I said we have degrees of evil here where both sides want control of Ukraine for strategic reasons, oil and gas, extremely strategic natural resources, and in our case a lot of political corruption in Ukraine benefitting certain politicians in the US.
Russia wants all that stuff too and was looking for reasons to invade and install their puppet.
Like I keep saying, if Ukraine was not on Russia's border, strategic for Europe, and had no oil, gas, and natural resources, Russia could invade it, take control, kill thousands, and the entire west would go back to sleep. The idea that they are worried about freedom, democracy etc.. is one gigantic pile of crap. The US does business with some of the worst slime in the world as long as they supply oil to the west and align more closely with the US. They wrap all this crap up in the flag but they are FOS.
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