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Old 04-21-2018, 02:39 PM   #11
GMB@BP
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Originally Posted by Tom View Post
Today's Beyers are much lower than they used to be.
a 106 today is like a 112 back in the day. (roughly)

I was looking at some stuff in Quinn's Handicapper's Condition book and hisguidleis for Grade 1 races were that they were won by Grade 1 horses and they should show at least one race of 115 of higher.

You won't be betting too many Gr1 races using that one!
My database shows that a Grade 1 for older males at one mile has a Beyer Par of 110.

To put that 106 in perspective, since 2013, the Beyer par for 3yos going 9 furlongs in Gr1 races is 100. Going 8.5 furlongs it is 97.
I agree with this, horses have not gotten slower as Beyer figures suggest.

Even the 107 for Justify is a bit disputable as it makes the entire SA Oaks field go backwards off their last (unheard of really for developing fillies).

I would put the number from 15 years ago at 5 points giver or take.
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