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Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire

Lies, lies and more lies.

Tell me does Scripture actually state, in Acts 16:30 ff, what Apostle Paul spake to the jailer? My written hard copy is silent as to the actual word they spake. Are the actual words Paul spoke to the jailer in your hard copy, your digitized copy, or the copy of the Bible between your ears?

Not actually knowing what words the Apostle used there is no possible way for me to conclude it was a false Gospel. as you accuse me of doing. However, I am sure even without out knowing what Apostle Paul actually stated when he spoke to the jailer, that Paul told the Gospel which Jesus personally taught Paul. Not only did they not lie, they baptized him.

Since you say your bible is silent on the exact words of Paul and/or Silas, then you should toss your corrupted version. Isn't Act 16:31 in your Catholic bible? If it is you have the exact words Paul and/or Silas spoke to the jailer. So...why are you lying again? Did they preach a false gospel to the jailer? Did they lead him astray?

The only way you can conclude such a false charge against me is that your words and teachings are equal to the Apostle Paul and you should be esteemed as Apostle Paul's equal.

Now, you're catching on. True disciples of Christ preach the same gospel as Jesus and Paul did. So...that makes my gospel equal to theirs. I add nothing to it, nor subtract anything from it.

Already explained to you how you used it out of context.

No, you didn't. Not unless you think justification has nothing to do salvation. According to my bible if a person is justified by faith or by grace, he's SAVED. But now you don't believe justification has anything to do with salvation? Are you suggesting a person can be justified without being saved or saved without being justified?

More lies. You told us when election takes place, in eternity past. Regeneration is substantially different. If I believed the error of Calvinism, regeneration could take place at any time during the elect's life. For example, the repentant thief on the cross. Obviously he was regenerated hours, minutes, seconds (?) before his death.

I am the liar or you are? Why do you persist in projecting your vile sin habit of lying onto me? For someone who thinks he's a Christian, you're one of the biggest liars on this forum. Either that you truly are illiterate in more ways than one. Here is what I wrote in part yesterday in 25288:

And I answered your dumb question about love and faith. Genuine faith always works through love. Since regeneration precedes faith and repentance and the Holy Spirit is love, then all regenerated saints have the the love of God within them which enables them, in turn, to love God and exercise saving faith. I bet you don't know that the Pharisees didn't believe in Jesus because they didn't have the love of God in them, do you?

What part of the verb "precedes" don't you get?

BTW he is one of the people we know who is in heaven. Proving you lied when you proclaimed we do not know who is in heaven.

The only reason we know is because the bible reveals that to us. Does your bible tell you where every dead person who has ever lived is currently residing in eternity? I'm sure many of us would love to see that revelation.

You should know that answer, better than I. According to Jesus, you have no life in you. 53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
John 6:53 (KJV)

But I thought you Catholics ate the body (literally) of Christ and drank is blood (literally) only at the sacrament of Communion? So...are you saying that no one can be saved unless he's in a Catholic church taking communion? What about that repentant thief on the Cross you just mentioned? Did he take Communion? Are you saying that the sacrament of Communion is prerequisite to salvation? No once can be saved unless he or she receives Communion RCC-style?

And what about the people Jesus spoke to in John 6 which occurred way before the Last Supper at which the sacrament of communion was instituted? What if any of them truly believed but died before the revelation of the institution of the sacrament reached their ears? Or did they engage in cannibalism? Did some of them literally eat Jesus' body and literally drink his blood before the Last Supper and then Jesus put his body pieces back together and gave himself a blood transfusion miraculously?

But for your info my bible tells me this about LIFE and salvation:

John 11:26
26 and everyone who lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this? "
NASB

Notice carefully the order of the first two verbs -- LIFE preceding faith! And this makes sense. Dead people aren't really in very good position to do much of anything, you know what I mean?

You should read John 6 and by the mercy and grace of God you may delivered form your many errors, your deceitfulness, your lack of wisdom and the false belief your teachings carry the same weight as Jesus and the apostles and being infallible.

Don't you know how to "test the spirits" to see if someone is teaching or preaching truth?

And don't call me a liar. You have proclaimed yourself to be infallible in your interpretations, stating you interpret Scripture as Jesus (the incarnate word) did and as the prophets of Israel did.

But I have to call you a liar. For I never proclaimed that my interpretations were infallible. I only claim that for the Word of God.

You should also read, 1 Timothy 3:15. You are not infallible, in your interpretations and you are not the Church.

Again, you lie. I am the Church. I am a living stone of the Christ's church! I along with all other true disciples of Christ am the Church! I am also a priest of the Most High God, along with all other true believers.

1 Peter 2:4-5
4 And coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected by men, but choice and precious in the sight of God, 5 you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
NASB

And,

Eph 2:19-22
19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household, 20 having been built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together is growing into a holy temple in the Lord; 22 in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.
NASB

To sum up: The Church is all of God's Chosen People! The Church is everyone who has the Holy Spirit living within them! Live it, love it and learn it!

Your fellow Protestant brethren claim the same source of their authority,as you do, which is the Bible. Accordingly, you cannot claim that your preaching is more authoritative than Joel O., the reformed preacher I cited earlier or any other preacher of God's word who claims their source authority to preach comes from the Bible.

To recap, according to Jesus, you have no life in you and you are not the Church, and you are not infallible in your teachings. Meaning you are spiritually dead and you do not possess truth and your teachings are ripe with errors.

When was your last confession? Better make an appointment beforehand with your favorite black robe because I suspect that if you could find an honest bone in your body, you'd be in that box for a month of Sundays! And then another month of Sundays wearing out your prayer beads for penance!

Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire

Yes, I believe and they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

So what does that have to do with you. You are not Apostle Paul are you? If you are not Apostle Paul how do I know you speak the word of the Lord?

Read the following, perhaps you'll learn what it means to "test the spirits".

http://www.gotquestions.org/QOTW.htm

Then you wrote yesterday:

So apparently there is more to being saved than just believing on Lord Jesus.

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
James 2:19

So, once again, I ask you: Did Paul and/or Silas lead the jailer astray? Did they preach a false gospel to the man? You're saying two things above: First, that there is MORE to being saved than merely believing on Lord Jesus. Yet, that is precisely what Paul and/or Silas told the jailer! Obviously, you're not in agreement with the Paul-Silas tag team, are you? Did Paul and/or Silas lie to the jailer? Did Paul and/or Silas preach a false gospel? Or are you the liar!?

Secondly, you further reinforce your disbelief in what Paul and Silas told the jailer by appealing to Jas 2:19. In you warped, twisted logic you seem to think that since the demons "believe", and yet will be condemned, that this must mean that more than faith is involved in a person's salvation. In fact, you state this very thing! You are pitting this text against Acts 16:31 to make this very point!

So...tell us, please: What must we all do to be saved?. Let's hear the Gospel of Christ from the "sanctified" but unauthorized lips of a Roman Catholic! What must we all do to be saved? What must we all do to be justified in God's sight?