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Forum: General Racing Discussion

04-14-2018, 09:04 AM

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Odds changes during races WHAT A JOKE

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Posted By Track Phantom

Of course it's insignificant. I said as much. But...

Of course it's insignificant. I said as much. But what I found interesting is that all the late money came in on the #8. Then they backed the horses out. No odds move for 10 minutes. Race ends, and...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

04-13-2018, 08:13 PM

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Odds changes during races WHAT A JOKE

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Posted By Track Phantom

Found this interesting: EVD Race 3: Start...

Found this interesting:

EVD Race 3:
Start loading into the gate:
#7: 3-2
#8: 1-1

Last horse is loading into the gate:
7: 2-1
8: 3-5

Forum: General Racing Discussion

04-12-2018, 06:16 PM

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Odds changes during races WHAT A JOKE

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Posted By Track Phantom

Speaking of cancellations, when did the rule...

Speaking of cancellations, when did the rule change that you can cancel any size bet? It used to be you couldn't. In fact, I remember my dad, back in about 1987, would keep a voucher in his wallet....

Forum: General Racing Discussion

04-12-2018, 02:20 PM

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Odds changes during races WHAT A JOKE

Views: 98,095

Posted By Track Phantom

In your opinion, do the "computer betting...

In your opinion, do the "computer betting outfits" have software which "handicaps" or "assess toteboard inefficiencies"? Or both?

You claim these guys pick winners at a much higher rate than us...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

04-11-2018, 11:18 PM

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Odds changes during races WHAT A JOKE

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Posted By Track Phantom

Stop clumping me in with the past posting crowd. ...

Stop clumping me in with the past posting crowd. I'll say this again, as it relates to odds dropping during the running of the race, I do NOT believe that it is people betting during the race. It...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

04-11-2018, 08:41 PM

Replies: 738

Odds changes during races WHAT A JOKE

Views: 98,095

Posted By Track Phantom

Here is the problem I have with the "computer...

Here is the problem I have with the "computer batch betting" accounting for the odds changing: If this was true, common sense would say that we would see A LOT more (in the neighborhood of 50% or...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

04-10-2018, 09:34 PM

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Odds changes during races WHAT A JOKE

Views: 98,095

Posted By Track Phantom

Love this post. Well-said.

Love this post. Well-said.

Forum: General Racing Discussion

03-27-2018, 06:32 AM

Replies: 738

Odds changes during races WHAT A JOKE

Views: 98,095

Posted By Track Phantom

That is a lot of supporting data and more than my...

That is a lot of supporting data and more than my 5:30 AM brain can digest. I'll admit my handicapping didn't have this horse as one of the main players. I can acknowledge that there were others that...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

03-26-2018, 09:45 PM

Replies: 738

Odds changes during races WHAT A JOKE

Views: 98,095

Posted By Track Phantom

Thanks! I have no issue with PA or anyone...

Thanks! I have no issue with PA or anyone debating this. While it feels black and white to me, it may not seem that way to others, and I always leave room for my opinion to be the wrong one in the...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

03-26-2018, 09:30 PM

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Odds changes during races WHAT A JOKE

Views: 98,095

Posted By Track Phantom

...and one more thing. The court who is going to...

...and one more thing. The court who is going to approve legalized sports betting should not look at horse racing as the model. One of the main propositions for legalizing sports betting is the...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

03-26-2018, 09:24 PM

Replies: 738

Odds changes during races WHAT A JOKE

Views: 98,095

Posted By Track Phantom

Agreed. The betting and the way the horse ran...

Agreed. The betting and the way the horse ran deserve an audit. If I was running the show at Sunland, I'd have been on this immediately. As much for the connections of the winner, to remove doubt, as...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

03-26-2018, 08:25 PM

Replies: 738

Odds changes during races WHAT A JOKE

Views: 98,095

Posted By Track Phantom

Occam's Razor.... the simple answer is likely...

Occam's Razor.... the simple answer is likely correct (one that makes the fewest assumptions).

I am not accusing anyone of anything, but performance enhancing drugs combined with insider betting...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

03-26-2018, 08:22 PM

Replies: 738

Odds changes during races WHAT A JOKE

Views: 98,095

Posted By Track Phantom

What kind of mickey mouse data points are these? ...

What kind of mickey mouse data points are these? I agree with the other poster, you have to show something of fact before the race, or your bets after the race, to warrant any kind of respect with...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

03-26-2018, 06:16 PM

Replies: 738

Odds changes during races WHAT A JOKE

Views: 98,095

Posted By Track Phantom

You said the computer "teams" are handicapping...

You said the computer "teams" are handicapping and "better overall than the general public". I don't believe the edge in winning in this context has to do with handicapping and I don't believe some...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

03-26-2018, 06:02 PM

Replies: 738

Odds changes during races WHAT A JOKE

Views: 98,095

Posted By Track Phantom

So let me get this right. You're saying there is...

So let me get this right. You're saying there is this Holy Grail that these people have to allow them to print money at the expense of the dolts that play this game traditionally?

Forum: General Racing Discussion

03-26-2018, 05:48 PM

Replies: 738

Odds changes during races WHAT A JOKE

Views: 98,095

Posted By Track Phantom

I don't believe this statement. Not at all.

I don't believe this statement. Not at all.

Forum: General Racing Discussion

03-26-2018, 04:40 PM

Replies: 738

Odds changes during races WHAT A JOKE

Views: 98,095

Posted By Track Phantom

All good posts on this one. Let me look at...

All good posts on this one.

Let me look at this through another prism.

First off, you have to believe the odds drop was either betting by one entity or multiple entities. Multiple entities is...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

03-26-2018, 11:31 AM

Replies: 738

Odds changes during races WHAT A JOKE

Views: 98,095

Posted By Track Phantom

I've watched 100,000 races in my life. I have a...

I've watched 100,000 races in my life. I have a pretty good feel for where horses are typically going to land odds-wise. There is a rhythm to the betting. When that rhythm is off kilter, it gets my...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

03-26-2018, 11:02 AM

Replies: 738

Odds changes during races WHAT A JOKE

Views: 98,095

Posted By Track Phantom

The Sunland Derby ranks right up there with the...

The Sunland Derby ranks right up there with the strangest late betting I've ever seen. Runaway Ghost was 8-1 morning line and drew a wide post. The entire rest of the field was loaded with the who's...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

03-10-2018, 02:58 AM

Replies: 738

Odds changes during races WHAT A JOKE

Views: 98,095

Posted By Track Phantom

Why would late money be smarter (or more...

Why would late money be smarter (or more accurate) than other money.

My issue is more to do with disproportionate betting in the final minute and nothing to do with favorite or any price on the...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

03-10-2018, 02:31 AM

Replies: 738

Odds changes during races WHAT A JOKE

Views: 98,095

Posted By Track Phantom

Is he speaking about the lowest priced horse on...

Is he speaking about the lowest priced horse on the board after the last betting or the horse who got the most money in the final rush of betting? I understood it to be the latter.

Not sure how...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

03-10-2018, 01:47 AM

Replies: 738

Odds changes during races WHAT A JOKE

Views: 98,095

Posted By Track Phantom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLmVTr9hq8Q ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLmVTr9hq8Q

This is EXACTLY why the game is floundering. Smart money has turned into Nostradamus.

It's incredible how often the late money is right on. ...

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