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Forum: General Racing Discussion

02-20-2016, 09:51 PM

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Posted By Dark Horse

Even so, it's a crucial part of the dynamic of...

Even so, it's a crucial part of the dynamic of stewards keeping control over the jockey colony.

Forum: General Racing Discussion

02-20-2016, 01:46 AM

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Posted By Dark Horse

This wouldn't work, because talking to jockeys...

This wouldn't work, because talking to jockeys right after the race is too important. Each jockey colony is different, like a family with different personalities, and the stewards have to keep them...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

02-16-2016, 02:20 PM

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Posted By Dark Horse

If we look at how Larry Ellison (Oracle) changed...

If we look at how Larry Ellison (Oracle) changed the face of sailing, what stops horse racing from going that same route? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoOjcDf_dJA

It's all math. Everything...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

02-16-2016, 01:47 PM

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Posted By Dark Horse

We all know that there's plenty of impeding that...

We all know that there's plenty of impeding that never gets called.

Racing situations are highly complex. Trying to solve that complexity through over-simplification lacks nuance. Just because...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

02-15-2016, 01:49 PM

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Posted By Dark Horse

Horse racing has many archaic elements; a sport...

Horse racing has many archaic elements; a sport that refuses to go with the times. I've used sailing in the past as example. Impossible to watch, until Larry Ellison (Oracle) brought in new...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

02-15-2016, 11:25 AM

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Posted By Dark Horse

Ok, a day later. Anger gone. The rider...

Ok, a day later. Anger gone.

The rider could have left his options open. He was too committed to the rail. I agree with that.

But it doesn't mean that the manner of thinking behind the DQ -...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

02-14-2016, 08:27 PM

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Posted By Dark Horse

Couldn't agree more. It's one of those...

Couldn't agree more.

It's one of those situations where you either look at the whole picture in the stretch, or you don't and just isolate the lane change without the context in which it...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

02-14-2016, 07:31 PM

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Posted By Dark Horse

Exactly.

Exactly.

Forum: General Racing Discussion

02-14-2016, 07:25 PM

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Posted By Dark Horse

Right. And no refs in any sports will consider...

Right. And no refs in any sports will consider the players in question when calling a foul...

I respect your knowledge of horse racing, but your absolute insistence on squeaky clean, 100%...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

02-14-2016, 07:06 PM

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Posted By Dark Horse

Vic, if there was consistency in stewards...

Vic, if there was consistency in stewards decisions I would have no problem. But if just keep wondering why these decisions keep favoring the favorites.

My mentor, a former T-bred trainer of 30...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

02-14-2016, 06:51 PM

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Posted By Dark Horse

Sure Vic. If a Ferrari is held up by whatever it...

Sure Vic. If a Ferrari is held up by whatever it is you're driving, and I come along speeding along in my Beamer, it would make me a bad driver to not understand that the Ferrari is about to change...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

02-14-2016, 06:38 PM

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Posted By Dark Horse

As with the three musketeers, so with the three...

As with the three musketeers, so with the three stooges. There's actually a fourth.

Tell me that American Pharoah gets DQ-ed for that.

Forum: General Racing Discussion

02-14-2016, 06:32 PM

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Posted By Dark Horse

So the rider knows he has all this horse, and...

So the rider knows he has all this horse, and there's a space for him to move into, but first he has to make sure than no horse may be coming from behind him, that he can't see? When is he supposed...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

02-14-2016, 06:22 PM

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Posted By Dark Horse

There was some interference, but, at least in...

There was some interference, but, at least in theory, the act of impeding becomes diminished if you have more power than the one you're impeding.

The horse with the most horse was the #10. And...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

02-14-2016, 06:17 PM

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Posted By Dark Horse

There's room for him to move into. How is he...

There's room for him to move into. How is he supposed to know the #1, coming from behind him, is gearing for that same space? Clearly, the #10 had the most horse. He just blasts by the others. ...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

02-14-2016, 06:01 PM

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Sticky: The DQ (or non-DQ) complaint thread

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Posted By Dark Horse

Ridiculous DQ in R5 at SA. Of course it cost the...

Ridiculous DQ in R5 at SA. Of course it cost the longshot #10 the win.

The #10 had to come off the rail for a chance to win. Where was he supposed to go if he wanted to win the race?! No way...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

07-31-2015, 10:42 AM

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Posted By Dark Horse

Where did I say that the people betting on a...

Where did I say that the people betting on a horse would not be biased? As suggested to you earlier, you may want to read first before answering to what you thought you read.

Also, I offered to...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

07-31-2015, 10:40 AM

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Posted By Dark Horse

Yes, letting the result stand is the other option...

Yes, letting the result stand is the other option for 2-1 decisions. But if they can't do that, they always have the dead heat payout option, already build into the system.

Forum: General Racing Discussion

07-31-2015, 05:50 AM

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Posted By Dark Horse

Why are 2-1 decisions wrong? Because in...

Why are 2-1 decisions wrong?

Because in horse racing, unlike in other sports where referees are present, the player is part of the game. Think about that.

Once a player has bet his opinion...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

07-31-2015, 04:59 AM

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Sticky: The DQ (or non-DQ) complaint thread

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Posted By Dark Horse

My problem is with the existing model of three...

My problem is with the existing model of three stewards. And particularly with non-unanimous 2-1 decisions. This thread is full of questionable decisions. That's a good starting point, because of...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

07-29-2015, 06:25 PM

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Sticky: The DQ (or non-DQ) complaint thread

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Posted By Dark Horse

If others are interested, we can keep track of...

If others are interested, we can keep track of all DQ's for the main tracks. It's not that much work. Just post the DQ, the race #, and the odds of the DQ-ed horse as well as of the horse that takes...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

07-29-2015, 06:02 PM

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Sticky: The DQ (or non-DQ) complaint thread

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Posted By Dark Horse

Your logic being that because the top two choices...

Your logic being that because the top two choices run second often, therefore it is meaningless that longshots are DQ-ed in favor of favorites???

I'm posting DQ's out of a random selection. That...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

07-29-2015, 02:05 AM

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Sticky: The DQ (or non-DQ) complaint thread

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Posted By Dark Horse

Of course they are for this purpose, which you...

Of course they are for this purpose, which you would know if you would take the trouble to read before deciding how you would respond.

People can complain as much about favorites being DQ-ed as...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

07-28-2015, 05:36 PM

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Posted By Dark Horse

Still very early, but 5 out of 6 (83%) in support...

Still very early, but 5 out of 6 (83%) in support of the chalk notion. For Vic's sake I hope it comes down to below 60%. Still biased, but at least not blatantly so.

My thinking is that in any...

Forum: General Racing Discussion

07-28-2015, 05:15 PM

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Sticky: The DQ (or non-DQ) complaint thread

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Posted By Dark Horse

Discussed on 12/18/14: TP, R7,...

Discussed on 12/18/14:
TP, R7, http://www.equibase.com/premium/chartEmb.cfm?track=TP&raceDate=12/18/2014&cy=USA&rn=7

Horse DQ-ed from win: 21-1. New winner: 4-1.

Discussed on 12/19/14:...

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