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Forum: General Handicapping Discussion

06-30-2018, 11:11 AM

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Beyer Figs Bogus?

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Posted By classhandicapper

I've been pretty much saying the same things. ...

I've been pretty much saying the same things.

That's why I am encouraging people to learn more about the process. Then people would be less likely to make very strong pronouncements about the...

Forum: General Handicapping Discussion

06-30-2018, 11:00 AM

Replies: 171

Beyer Figs Bogus?

Views: 20,192

Posted By classhandicapper

I just checked. It looks like Beyer trimmed it a...

I just checked. It looks like Beyer trimmed it a little also, but I didn't look at the rest of the day.

He gave the winner of the 4th race an 81 for 7F in 124.43

He gave American Anthem 105...

Forum: General Handicapping Discussion

06-29-2018, 04:09 PM

Replies: 171

Beyer Figs Bogus?

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Posted By classhandicapper

What's the issue here? He gave a reason why...

What's the issue here?

He gave a reason why one could think the race might not be quite as good as it came up while conceding that it was subjective and it was up to you to take a stand one way...

Forum: General Handicapping Discussion

06-29-2018, 09:06 AM

Replies: 171

Beyer Figs Bogus?

Views: 20,192

Posted By classhandicapper

Every serious handicapper should probably spend...

Every serious handicapper should probably spend at least a couple of years trying to make their own figures (even for a single circuit) and then comparing them to other sources. Going through that...

Forum: General Handicapping Discussion

06-28-2018, 02:05 PM

Replies: 171

Beyer Figs Bogus?

Views: 20,192

Posted By classhandicapper

Adjustments like that are pretty complicated. ...

Adjustments like that are pretty complicated.

Part of the improvement you see with 2yos that turn 3 and 3yos as the season moves forward is related to physical maturity (the horse is getting...

Forum: General Handicapping Discussion

06-26-2018, 07:49 PM

Replies: 171

Beyer Figs Bogus?

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Posted By classhandicapper

Not every horse or every race, but if you ranked...

Not every horse or every race, but if you ranked the horses from fastest to slowest off their last race the rankings would be a bit different in many races and you would find some differences of...

Forum: General Handicapping Discussion

06-26-2018, 07:26 PM

Replies: 171

Beyer Figs Bogus?

Views: 20,192

Posted By classhandicapper

This is the issue I've been bringing up for...

This is the issue I've been bringing up for decades.

At various times I've had access to Beyer, Timeform, Ragozin, Thorograph, and Logic Dictate figures. For many major stakes I've had 4 or 5...

Forum: General Handicapping Discussion

06-26-2018, 01:48 PM

Replies: 171

Beyer Figs Bogus?

Views: 20,192

Posted By classhandicapper

I don't think there's a right or wrong answer to...

I don't think there's a right or wrong answer to whether you should be using figures or not.

On the downside, everyone is using them. So if you use them they will drag you towards the same line...

Forum: General Handicapping Discussion

06-25-2018, 11:04 AM

Replies: 171

Beyer Figs Bogus?

Views: 20,192

Posted By classhandicapper

What I do applies to both problems. If the...

What I do applies to both problems.

If the figure doesn't make sense to me, I often don't know if the race was mistimed, there was fat finger error involved etc... or if the figure maker just had...

Forum: General Handicapping Discussion

06-25-2018, 09:11 AM

Replies: 171

Beyer Figs Bogus?

Views: 20,192

Posted By classhandicapper

When I see a figure that doesn't make sense I...

When I see a figure that doesn't make sense I look for anything suspicious in the conditions or race development that could account for it. Then I look at how fast the horses looked coming into the...

Forum: General Handicapping Discussion

06-22-2018, 01:32 PM

Replies: 171

Beyer Figs Bogus?

Views: 20,192

Posted By classhandicapper

This is exactly the problem. Time based figures...

This is exactly the problem. Time based figures produce a lot of winners, but since everyone has figures now it's very difficult to find value if they are a significant part of your thinking. It's...

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