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Mc990 01-27-2018 02:57 AM

West Coast
 
IMO he doesn't like racing inside horses... could be detrimental to those expecting a comfy ground saving trip. He's also a little light on number power relative to projected odds. Easy toss along with GR

VigorsTheGrey 01-27-2018 03:42 AM

Azteca seems real sharp now...don't you think..? 9 furlongs at Gulfstream...that favors speed types...wires the field at generous odds...?

storyline 01-27-2018 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey (Post 2266930)
Azteca seems real sharp now...don't you think..? 9 furlongs at Gulfstream...that favors speed types...wires the field at generous odds...?

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Originally Posted by Mc990 (Post 2266928)
IMO he doesn't like racing inside horses... could be detrimental to those expecting a comfy ground saving trip. He's also a little light on number power relative to projected odds. Easy toss along with GR

Difference of opinion is what makes the game great.

Afleet 01-28-2018 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by storyline (Post 2267856)
Difference of opinion is what makes the game great.

I didn't like West Coast either-I was wrong. Still not sure why Azteca wasn't sent from the inside post

PhantomOnTour 01-28-2018 12:33 AM

With Gun Runner now retired, the title of best older dirt runner is up for grabs, and West Coast has to be considered among the best. He ran well in the Classic and again today.

lamboguy 01-28-2018 05:54 AM

WEST COAST turned out to be a real star. i suspect that after winning The Pegasus, we may see a change of heart from GUNRUNNER team and they will meet up again in Dubai. if they do change their mind i suspect it will be a last minute decision. also, should they change their minds, Dubai will definitely be the very last race.

Fager Fan 01-28-2018 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by lamboguy (Post 2267910)
WEST COAST turned out to be a real star. i suspect that after winning The Pegasus, we may see a change of heart from GUNRUNNER team and they will meet up again in Dubai. if they do change their mind i suspect it will be a last minute decision. also, should they change their minds, Dubai will definitely be the very last race.

If they go to the DWC, then they have to give up the 2018 breeding season, so it'd make no sense to retire after the DWC. They may as well run the entire year.

They have stud plans, and surely have already booked mares to him. That's a lot of contracts they'd have to get out of. At $70k, he'll make about $10m in stud fees for the year. I think they count their blessings and retire as planned.

I thought the 3yo finalists for the Eclipse were very weak on accomplishments. It's nice to see that the one they named champion stepped up in this race and made the championship for last year look more deserving.

lamboguy 01-28-2018 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Fager Fan (Post 2267913)
If they go to the DWC, then they have to give up the 2018 breeding season, so it'd make no sense to retire after the DWC. They may as well run the entire year.

They have stud plans, and surely have already booked mares to him. That's a lot of contracts they'd have to get out of. At $70k, he'll make about $10m in stud fees for the year. I think they count their blessings and retire as planned.

I thought the 3yo finalists for the Eclipse were very weak on accomplishments. It's nice to see that the one they named champion stepped up in this race and made the championship for last year look more deserving.

what are they going to lose 2 weeks of the breeding season? if the horse wins that race they may get more for the seasons as well, and to me it looks like he is pretty set up to win the race after yesterday.

retiring the horse and bringing him back for 1 race to make the fans happy is great hype, especially when they are probably going to get an appearance fee and win the lion's share of the $10 million purse.

Fager Fan 01-28-2018 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by lamboguy (Post 2267923)
what are they going to lose 2 weeks of the breeding season? if the horse wins that race they may get more for the seasons as well, and to me it looks like he is pretty set up to win the race after yesterday.

retiring the horse and bringing him back for 1 race to make the fans happy is great hype, especially when they are probably going to get an appearance fee and win the lion's share of the $10 million purse.

Two weeks? The race isn't until March 31. We're talking about him starting stud in mid-April. That's 2 months of a 4-month season. No way. They lose all their stallion contracts (if not sued over any of them). If starting stud after the DWC was a good idea, people would've been doing it every year.

lamboguy 01-28-2018 11:28 AM

most people bring their mares around the middle of March.

Fager Fan 01-28-2018 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by lamboguy (Post 2267962)
most people bring their mares around the middle of March.

They bring as early as they can. The maiden mares, barren mares, and early foaling mares will be there as soon as the doors open.

All breed at first opportunity (not counting foal heats, which most stud farms won't accept) because it gives them longer if they don't get in foal (to return a time or two to try again).

Most all the mare owners that were planning on going to Gunrunner will not accept him retiring in mid-April. They will go elsewhere. The only mares he'd get that way are those who don't plan on being able to get a first cover until after that time anyway, and those would likely be last minute contracts because they'd have to bank now that he's not shooting blanks instead of knowing he's good to go when he does retire in mid-April.

It is a very bad way to start off his breeding career. They need the huge book to be competitive these days. This would cut his book in half. It ain't happening. If they change their mind about retiring, then he'll race out the year, not retire in mid-April, and have to appease a lot of people who signed contracts to breed to him.


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