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Andy Asaro 01-18-2018 10:34 AM

Increasing the run up for the Pegasus? Would an extra 30 to 60 feet be more fair?
 

cj 01-18-2018 10:50 AM

Nope, bad idea. Gulfstream already plays too many games with run up. Also, I don't care about track records but many do. This would give the race an unfair advantage over others previously run at the distance. Just run the damn race, 30 or 60 feet isn't going to matter anyway.

letswastemoney 01-18-2018 01:03 PM

I'd want it to be 10 furlongs, but that would mean less horses probably.

cj 01-18-2018 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by letswastemoney (Post 2262679)
I'd want it to be 10 furlongs, but that would mean less horses probably.

They have never run the distance so I assume they can't, but could be wrong. They can and have run 1 3/16 miles.

Delta Cone 01-18-2018 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cj (Post 2262701)
They have never run the distance so I assume they can't, but could be wrong. They can and have run 1 3/16 miles.

The 1999 Breeders Cup Classic at GP was run at 10 furlongs.

Although perhaps theyíve reconfigured the track since then?

cj 01-18-2018 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delta Cone (Post 2262759)
The 1999 Breeders Cup Classic at GP was run at 10 furlongs.

Although perhaps theyíve reconfigured the track since then?

Yes, it has changed since then by a lot.

Tom 01-18-2018 03:38 PM

30 or 60 - they are going to mis-time it any ways, so stop playing around.

dilanesp 01-19-2018 04:28 PM

I am sure they can run 10 furlongs and start at the 1/8th pole if they want to.

But 1 3/16 miles would do the trick- 9 furlongs is too short a run into the first turn for a big field.

Lemon Drop Husker 01-19-2018 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom (Post 2262765)
30 or 60 - they are going to mis-time it any ways, so stop playing around.

I just clocked Toast Of New York crossing the line 1st at 1:46.28

Fuss 01-20-2018 07:25 AM

Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous.
 
Can you believe its $75 dollars for a general admission ticket at Gulfstream Park for this race?

For the 2017 Florida Derby it was free admission and I got a nice seat in the Simulcast lounge for $10 or 20 dollars.

For the 2017 Kentucky Derby Day, and Breeders Cup Day @ Gulfstream I paid $60.00 a head for 2 for a table of 4 seats @ Ten Palms on the Glass! And it included the buffet.

That same table for this Pegasus race is $4000! $1000 a seat and you have to buy all 4.

The Simulcast seats are $100 a pop!

$750 for a seat near the Paddock.

Grandstand is $180 on the turn, $225 on the stretch.

Its crazy town prices!

I have to believe that if they find 10,000 people to attend they will be lucky.

If they fill the place up the on-track handle might be enormous.

Its $250 to sit at the bar!

Forget the handle, they might pull in 2 million at the Door!

cj 01-20-2018 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fuss (Post 2263500)
Can you believe its $75 dollars for a general admission ticket at Gulfstream Park for this race?

For the 2017 Florida Derby it was free admission and I got a nice seat in the Simulcast lounge for $10 or 20 dollars.

For the 2017 Kentucky Derby Day, and Breeders Cup Day @ Gulfstream I paid $60.00 a head for 2 for a table of 4 seats @ Ten Palms on the Glass! And it included the buffet.

That same table for this Pegasus race is $4000! $1000 a seat and you have to buy all 4.

The Simulcast seats are $100 a pop!

$750 for a seat near the Paddock.

Grandstand is $180 on the turn, $225 on the stretch.

Its crazy town prices!

I have to believe that if they find 10,000 people to attend they will be lucky.

If they fill the place up the on-track handle might be enormous.

Its $250 to sit at the bar!

Forget the handle, they might pull in 2 million at the Door!

They don't want the regular horseplayer there.

onefast99 01-20-2018 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cj (Post 2263588)
They don't want the regular horseplayer there.

Can we look at all the Classics and BC races where you will drop a fortune to sit in a nice seat with a decent view on those special race days and then compare the purses on those days with the Pegasus Days purses, also GP is a smaller venue and practically every seat is a good one. The day is priced right they want the celebrities to show up and it is a showcase event. It sold out last year as the match race between Arrogate and Chrome was the draw now this year they have made Gun Runner the huge favorite with 11 others trying to get at least 4th place(break even point)great event for an otherwise slow time of year. Nicely done by the Stronach Group.

cj 01-20-2018 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onefast99 (Post 2263616)
Can we look at all the Classics and BC races where you will drop a fortune to sit in a nice seat with a decent view on those special race days and then compare the purses on those days with the Pegasus Days purses, also GP is a smaller venue and practically every seat is a good one. The day is priced right they want the celebrities to show up and it is a showcase event. It sold out last year as the match race between Arrogate and Chrome was the draw now this year they have made Gun Runner the huge favorite with 11 others trying to get at least 4th place(break even point)great event for an otherwise slow time of year. Nicely done by the Stronach Group.

Comparing Pegasus day to BC day is really a non starter, and Pegasus day is more expensive in general. They can do what they want. It is his race track, though Belinda is probably calling the shots now. I'm just stating the obvious...they don't want regular Joes there.

dilanesp 01-20-2018 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cj (Post 2263623)
Comparing Pegasus day to BC day is really a non starter, and Pegasus day is more expensive in general. They can do what they want. It is his race track, though Belinda is probably calling the shots now. I'm just stating the obvious...they don't want regular Joes there.

Pegasuus day is more expensive on the bottom end, because Gulfstream Park East is so small.

But the top level tickets for the BC- turf clubs / millionaire's row- can get quite expensive.

Tom 01-20-2018 05:00 PM

30-60 feet for the run up has been rules out by Franky.
But he will increase the parking by $30-$60 instead.

If you come early, you can get breakfast that day.
Where else can you get a 3 minute egg in a minute and 40 seconds?

Andy Asaro 01-20-2018 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom (Post 2263817)
30-60 feet for the run up has been rules out by Franky.
But he will increase the parking by $30-$60 instead.

If you come early, you can get breakfast that day.
Where else can you get a 3 minute egg in a minute and 40 seconds?

Don't be surprised if it happens. Pretty sure the Owners would agree. We'll see.

Fager Fan 01-21-2018 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cj (Post 2263623)
Comparing Pegasus day to BC day is really a non starter, and Pegasus day is more expensive in general. They can do what they want. It is his race track, though Belinda is probably calling the shots now. I'm just stating the obvious...they don't want regular Joes there.

You know they don't care if it's Regular Joe or Extraordinary Joe who is there. They only want to get as much as they can in ticket sales.

Andy Asaro 01-21-2018 01:48 PM

Watchmaker: Post-position draw paramount in Pegasus

http://www.drf.com/news/watchmaker-p...amount-pegasus

Excerpt:

Thatís why I suggested that what happens at the Pegasus draw could, just for starters, change the way the race is bet. I canít envision any scenario where Gun Runner isnít strongly favored. But if Gun Runner draws a reasonably good post, I think heís as big a cinch to be an odds-on favorite as he is to be named Horse of the Year. And good luck beating him. But if Gun Runner draws, say, post 10 or wider, I suspect his price will be higher than even-money, and he will suddenly become a vulnerable favorite.

Makes you wonder if post positions should ever have that kind of impact.

cj 01-21-2018 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy Asaro (Post 2264259)
Watchmaker: Post-position draw paramount in Pegasus

http://www.drf.com/news/watchmaker-p...amount-pegasus

Excerpt:

Thatís why I suggested that what happens at the Pegasus draw could, just for starters, change the way the race is bet. I canít envision any scenario where Gun Runner isnít strongly favored. But if Gun Runner draws a reasonably good post, I think heís as big a cinch to be an odds-on favorite as he is to be named Horse of the Year. And good luck beating him. But if Gun Runner draws, say, post 10 or wider, I suspect his price will be higher than even-money, and he will suddenly become a vulnerable favorite.

Makes you wonder if post positions should ever have that kind of impact.

Tracks should schedule races at distances that don't create this sort of thing. But horsemen, for the most part, bring it on themselves. They run ridiculous 1m 1/16 races at Laurel which start almost on the turn because trainers don't want to run 9f.

Andy Asaro 01-21-2018 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cj (Post 2264464)
Tracks should schedule races at distances that don't create this sort of thing. But horsemen, for the most part, bring it on themselves. They run ridiculous 1m 1/16 races at Laurel which start almost on the turn because trainers don't want to run 9f.

I've always thought of it as some sort of "class" thing. Somehow they feel like a mile and one eighth is more classy than three sixteenths. And it's definitely what you say.

VigorsTheGrey 01-21-2018 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cj (Post 2263588)
They don't want the regular horseplayer there.

Expect the "Regular South Florida Set" there like last year...

http://worldredeye.com/2017/01/pegas...lfstream-park/

onefast99 01-22-2018 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cj (Post 2263623)
Comparing Pegasus day to BC day is really a non starter, and Pegasus day is more expensive in general. They can do what they want. It is his race track, though Belinda is probably calling the shots now. I'm just stating the obvious...they don't want regular Joes there.

Belinda has to approve any corporate changes.

Andy Asaro 01-22-2018 04:37 PM


iamt 01-22-2018 05:03 PM

The only connections who should be for this change are those of Gun Runner.

The others as a whole are better off leaving it as is.

Andy Asaro 01-22-2018 06:13 PM


cj 01-22-2018 06:33 PM

Gulfstream has the most to gain by doing things right, that is for sure.

Andy Asaro 01-22-2018 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cj (Post 2264886)
Gulfstream has the most to gain by doing things right, that is for sure.

Amen.

letswastemoney 01-22-2018 07:19 PM

So if they do this and Gun Runner draws wide, will he still be a lock to win then?

Andy Asaro 01-23-2018 09:46 AM


Fager Fan 01-23-2018 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy Asaro (Post 2265047)

Metric system? Why on earth would we do that when we don't use the metric system in this country? And why does he think we can't make an exact measurement without doing so in the metric system? Does he also want us to start reporting weight in stones?

Andy Asaro 01-23-2018 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fager Fan (Post 2265070)
Metric system? Why on earth would we do that when we don't use the metric system in this country? And why does he think we can't make an exact measurement without doing so in the metric system? Does he also want us to start reporting weight in stones?

I asked his opinion and that's his answer. I don't like Metric system either. He was affiliated with Trakus and knows something about timing races.

Tom 01-23-2018 10:55 AM

You give theses guys millimeter and they take a kilometer!

Andy Asaro 01-23-2018 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom (Post 2265074)
You give theses guys millimeter and they take a kilometer!

:lol:

Andy Asaro 01-23-2018 10:59 AM


Denny 01-23-2018 11:29 AM

AA,

Were you invited to the Pegasus by Ritvo and TSG, or not?

I think you're an Andy advocate, not a so-called horseplayer advocate.

cj 01-23-2018 11:43 AM

Metric part aside, Pat is spot on. Timing races the way we do now is comical to be honest. There is no downside to giving bettors the best data possible.

Andy Asaro 01-23-2018 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Denny (Post 2265102)
AA,

Were you invited to the Pegasus by Ritvo and TSG, or not?

I think you're an Andy advocate, not a so-called horseplayer advocate.

You misrepresented facts in order to smear me.

Fager Fan 01-23-2018 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cj (Post 2265109)
Metric part aside, Pat is spot on. Timing races the way we do now is comical to be honest. There is no downside to giving bettors the best data possible.

You'd go insane if you lived in Europe.

cj 01-23-2018 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fager Fan (Post 2265160)
You'd go insane if you lived in Europe.

LOL, I did live in Europe for five years...Mons, Belgium.

Denny 01-23-2018 04:20 PM

INFRACTION
 
cj,

Why did I receive an infraction from you on my comment to AA?

I asked questions. Is that not allowed here?

Are people here above reproach?

Was he invited to GP by TSG and Ritvo to attend the Pegasus or not, is what I asked him???

He is supposedly a self-proclaimed horseplayer representative.

Who exactly he represents is what i'd like to know.

He has insulted me at another website before this when I've questioned his motives.


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